tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post7472934708333703155..comments2024-03-23T03:47:03.187-07:00Comments on Scott Wolter Answers: The Ohman Stone Musical: Art Imitates LifeScott Wolterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-40226612028736328162014-10-11T15:35:13.466-07:002014-10-11T15:35:13.466-07:00Lottie,
I finally had a chance to review the Grea...Lottie,<br /><br />I finally had a chance to review the Great Lakes Copper Heist episode; sorry for the delay in getting back to you. <br /><br />At the very beginning, both in my voiceover and when I asked my guest, George Twardzik, about how much copper had been mined in the distant past we both said 1-1.5 billion "pounds."<br /><br />Further, George said there were between 5-10 thousand copper mines and pits on the island which sounds about right. As far as the mention of miles of tunnels related to the Minong Mine, I didn't hear either of us say anything about that. Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-19073137991267168042014-09-29T13:56:59.439-07:002014-09-29T13:56:59.439-07:00Fair enough, Scott. I can't ask for more than...Fair enough, Scott. I can't ask for more than that. Please respond after you've had a chance to review the episode.<br /><br />Lottie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-41845441238470021442014-09-29T10:24:08.946-07:002014-09-29T10:24:08.946-07:00Here's what I will do; I need to go back and w...Here's what I will do; I need to go back and watch the episode to confirm what was actually said. Not that I don't believe you; I just don't remember what was said and want to confirm. Then I will check with the researchers to find out where they got the information. This was not my research so what you perceive as a cavalier attitude is simply ignorance of where the facts came from at the moment.<br /><br />I'll get back to you with comments, and maybe a mea culpa if warranted. Give me a couple weeks as I'll be traveling, again, until mid-October. After that, I'll be around for while. Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-80198689125510727022014-09-29T10:03:05.684-07:002014-09-29T10:03:05.684-07:00Scott,
With respect.....the 1.5 billion tons fig...Scott, <br /><br />With respect.....the 1.5 billion tons figure does not add up, and it is in no way supportable by known fact. Minong Mine, the largest and most productive modern mine on the island, only yielded 249 tons of copper using modern mining techniques. This means that there would have to have been 6 MILLION Minong Mine's worth of copper taken from the surface of a 200 square mile island (roughly 30,000 Minong Mines per mile) It has never been demonstrated that the ancients (whether Native American, Minoan, or other) ever mined in any way other that surface and pit mines. If true, the 1.5 billion ton figure would mean that an inches/feet thick layer of pure copper covered the entire island at one time in human history. The 1.5 billion ton figure doesn't make even common sense, and it would have been nice to hear you explore this further on your show instead of just letting this impossible figure dangle there for all time.<br /><br />I hope you're pulling my leg about the "miles" of underground mines comment above. To my knowledge nobody has ever made this assertion before you did on your television show. There are hundreds of pit mines, but only a few adits on the island. What few adits there are don't go very far. You know this. Like I said in an earlier comment, anyone spending 5 minutes near any of these mines could readily see this for themselves.<br /><br />And, by the way, it is not up to me to prove miles of underground mines don't exist on the island. You made the assertion that they do exist, so it is up to you to provide the evidence. Or you could simply admit to your viewers that you made a mistake. Otherwise, anyone could make any kind of far-out claim and others would have to disprove the nonsense or we would be forced to treat all such claims as fact.<br /><br />I have to admit, Scott, I was swiftly becoming a fan, but the claims you made on this episode and the cavalier attitude you display when someone asks you intelligent questions about apparent mistakes you make is kind of disappointing.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-85151300665977078642014-09-29T07:52:53.849-07:002014-09-29T07:52:53.849-07:00Lottie,
If that is the case, then I stand correct...Lottie,<br /><br />If that is the case, then I stand corrected on my previous comment. However, if that is what was said then there was a basis for it. That does seem like an awesome lot of copper, but if ancient miners were active in the Great Lakes region for thousands of years, then the tonnage could add up quickly.<br /><br />How are you so certain that extensive underground mines don't exist on the island? Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-88521671870690093782014-09-29T07:30:14.820-07:002014-09-29T07:30:14.820-07:00Hi Scott:
I went back and watched the Great Lakes...Hi Scott:<br /><br />I went back and watched the Great Lakes copper episode again. You, without a doubt, make the assertion that 1.5 BILLION TONS (not 1 billion pounds) of copper is missing from Isle Royale. This is an unsupportable claim. You also clearly make the claim that there are "miles" of underground tunnels at Minong Mine, although admittedly you may have been speaking about the island in general and not just the Minong Mine. However, miles of underground mines do not exist anywhere on the island.<br /><br />LottieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-11563640427743781132014-09-23T20:58:13.509-07:002014-09-23T20:58:13.509-07:00Ed,
You will see quite a bit of the research pres...Ed,<br /><br />You will see quite a bit of the research presented in my Akhenaten book in the new season of shows. Exactly what and when I can't say for obvious reasons. However, call me bias, but I think you'll enjoy what we have in store for everybody.Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-91957074975677621442014-09-23T18:40:21.211-07:002014-09-23T18:40:21.211-07:00Hey Scott I've been a big fan of the show for ...Hey Scott I've been a big fan of the show for a long time now, and I just want to know if you will ever go over your theories research in your book on Akhenaten in any future shows or blog posts? A friend of my cousins told me that it had come out and heard good things about it and that I should get it. Unfortunately I have been having financial problems so I can't get it at this point in time. I hope it's not too much to ask since I know this is your career and you have to make a living on it, but I really love your work and want to know what you went into in it. :) Cant wait to see season 3! And keep up the good work!Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-37936448340751167022014-09-13T08:27:45.439-07:002014-09-13T08:27:45.439-07:00Scott,
Thank you for your response and I will be g...Scott,<br />Thank you for your response and I will be glued to my tv on that upcoming episode. Can't wait to watch it! <br />Also I like to thank you and others that are coming to should I say test the boundaries of America history. I have always been a fan of all types of history and I have researched many things and have found so much that is never truly considered as facts just simply because it seems no one wants to take the time to rewrite history and or admit we got it wrong for all this time. When it comes to history I am one to not take what I was tought in school and/or read at face value. I think if others could just see that we have been given as facts are not always the true facts. Your work on the KRS and knights temp is great work. It's funny that my kids are now coming home stating that Columbus wasn't the first it was another explorer who came to America but we still give Columbus praise for him "finding" America. I laugh as this is what my children will grow up learning and unless you and others can get it through the "history" writers that things are not as they seem to be it will never change. I will end this with a BIG thank you for what you are doing and please showing us all the new findings and new facts on subjects we may know about already but a more depth of the history surrounding them.<br />Thanks,<br />SarahSarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-41533865238454152592014-09-13T07:13:42.752-07:002014-09-13T07:13:42.752-07:00Hi Sarah,
It is very disappointing when the reali... Hi Sarah,<br /><br />It is very disappointing when the realization hits you that some people, or in this case, the Smithsonian Institution, is not what you wanted to believe it was. The Smithsonian isn't an evil institution and certainly does many things well with vast majority of the people working there trying to do the right thing.<br /><br />However, in the case of the pre-Columbian history of North America they have failed miserably and I believe have for over a century intentionally deceived the American public and indeed the world. In my view, it's time the American public demanded full disclosure of ALL the artifacts and remains in their archives. There should also be a congressional investigation into their handling of obvious legitimate, history-changing artifacts such as the Kensington Rune Stone, the Tucson Lead Artifacts and the Bat Creek Stone. There are many others of course, but let's get things started with the obvious ones.<br /><br />OK; let me get off my soapbox for a second... As far as Utah goes, we filmed the bulk of one episode in the upcoming season there and I think you'll enjoy it. Can't tip you off to the topic yet, but it was a fun episode to make.<br /><br />Thanks for taking the time to write in.Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-23155442731900956712014-09-13T06:22:07.402-07:002014-09-13T06:22:07.402-07:00Scott,
I know you are busy and I know I posted yes...Scott,<br />I know you are busy and I know I posted yesterday but I got to thinking about my home state of Utah. I was wondering if you ever thought about exploring Arches National Park? The reason I ask is because there are markings of a mammoth with the natives. There are stories that maybe per preblo Indians lived there around 1000AD. But all we ever learned about was the utes and the Navajo Indians. But there are evidence that others like the Fremont and others were long there before. Just a thought. Thanks<br />SarahSarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-40755276208884123362014-09-12T16:55:27.258-07:002014-09-12T16:55:27.258-07:00Hi Lottie,
First, I have to confess to not having...Hi Lottie,<br /><br />First, I have to confess to not having watched the copper episode since it aired a year and a half ago and a lot has passed by me since. My recollection is the estimate was one billion pounds (not tons) of copper extracted from literally tens of thousands of open pit and shaft copper mines in Northern Minnesota, Isle Royale and Upper Peninsula of Michigan.<br /><br />Second, you throw out opinions pretty flippantly which is your choice, but you might want to be a little careful about your own assertions if you're not going to provide backup data.<br /><br />Third, I don't recall saying anything about "miles" of underground tunnels at the Minong mine. It may have been my guest who said that, but I'll have to go back and watch the episode again to be for sure. That being said, if you assume we "make stuff up" for the sake of drama you are mistaken. We fact check everything we present to ensure the information is correct. However, while there may be occasional mistakes, I don't believe this is one of them.<br /><br />I don't really appreciate being called an arm-chair historian or hobbyist as I have spent years researching and have published several books on some of the topics we present on the show. I also don't resort to "tricks" and absolutely cherish the opportunity to teach people about the profession of geology that I love. Our show is about investigating historical mysteries on this continent that have been ignored, dismissed, bungled by academia, and in some cases deliberately covered up. If you believe there is deception going on with topics like this I suggest you start by looking at our 'Nation's Museum' in Washington D.C. The Bat Creek Stone is great place to start.<br /><br />Thanks for taking the time to contact me and I hope you enjoy the new season set to air in early October.<br />Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-40049183640815949682014-09-12T16:39:29.432-07:002014-09-12T16:39:29.432-07:00Scott,
I have to say I love your show and your wor...Scott,<br />I have to say I love your show and your work. I love the idea that someone as come in and said there is proof that others have been in the US long before. But I must admit that I always thought when you would say that the Smithsonian would either not display an artifact that was pre Columbus or that they would deny such an artifact would just strike me worried some and not true. But Scott I do now believe you! I say this due to two weekends ago my husband and I took our two children to luray caverns for the first time. As we were going through it the guide told us a story about the founders of the cavern and that they found bones of a Native American female. He went on to say that the Smithsonian has them but does not display the bones nor do they at all what so ever talk about her in any of their museums. <br />I am so glad that you put a brighter light on for me to now know that even some place so great to go and see history at will still hide things that seem important to the public and just as said before hide them, which is very sad to me. As I am a lover of history and that's all I watch and read<br />Please keep up the great work!<br />Sarah Kelley <br />Fredericksburg, VASarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-50824740141601035402014-09-12T09:49:00.392-07:002014-09-12T09:49:00.392-07:00Dear Mr. Wolter:
I just saw the Great Lakes Cop...Dear Mr. Wolter: <br /><br />I just saw the Great Lakes Copper episode of America Unearthed a couple of days ago. I was extremely excited because Isle Royale is an amazing place with a fascinating Native American history, but.....I have to say I was quite disappointed. <br /><br />You make a pretty unbelievable and uniformed assertion as to how much copper was mined in the area during ancient times. I have heard this figure batted around by others who have been labeled as "fringe historians". Did you come up with this estimate yourself, or were you quoting/acknowledging someone else's work? I have to assume you were simply referencing the ideas of others. If not, I think it's worrisome that a licensed geologist wouldn't be able to see how very few of the variables and figures used to make the 1.5 billion ton estimate can be supported. <br /><br />Further, what we really KNOW about prehistoric Native American mining in the area and what is supported by undeniable concrete evidence is vastly more interesting than the unsupportable conjecture you raise about Minoans. It seemed to me the only two pieces of "evidence" that supports the Minoan theory are the Newberry Tablet and the ship petroglyph near Copper Harbor. And, when you weigh these lonely two pieces of evidence against the mountain of Native American evidence then the Minoan theory falls very flat pretty quickly.<br /><br />The ship petroglyph is at the very least 3000 years more recent than the collapse of the Minoan culture, and the Newberry tablet to my understanding was made of unfired clay. Is it your opinion as a licensed geologist that a tablet made of unfired clay (basically firm mud) could survive fully intact for 3000-4000 years being exposed to the elements?<br /><br />Also, I take issue with your claim about the Minong Mine at Isle Royale. You clearly state in the show that there are "miles" worth of underground mines at Minong. This simply is not true, and anyone visiting the area would be able to tell this for themselves almost immediately. There are several pits and a couple of adits, but there are absolutely no tunnel mines that descend and weave miles into the rock.<br /><br />I don't necessarily agree, but I do understand how some believe that drama should be added to shows like yours to captivate the audience. However, if the decision is made to do this then it should be applied more responsibly than it was in this episode.<br /><br />You seem like a great guy, and I suspect your charisma alone will attract an audience. You don't need to resort to tricks like this. Often, people in your position push aside the opportunity to teach, and instead favor the almost political approach of persuading the uninformed to their "side". You're not the first arm-chair historian and hobbyist to make this mistake, but I suspect you have the ability to be better than this. <br /><br />Good luck in the future.<br />LottieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-51884986467876354342014-09-02T04:39:11.819-07:002014-09-02T04:39:11.819-07:00Melinda,
I don't know if the paly will get to...Melinda,<br /><br />I don't know if the paly will get to Wisconsin, but there is talk of a couple performances in Alexandria, Minnesota, where the Kensington Rune Stone is currently housed at the Runestone Museum.<br /><br />As a descendant of Hjalmar Holand, I know you'll enjoy the play immensely. If I hear anything I'll be sure to pass it along here.Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-25381285734242200202014-09-01T07:15:14.338-07:002014-09-01T07:15:14.338-07:00I found your article looking for information about...I found your article looking for information about Hjalmar Holand, my great uncle. I'm blown away by this resurgence of interest in the Rune Stone. Growing up in the 1960's, I was sent to school every Columbus Day with a copy of Uncle Hjalmar's "Explorations in American before Columbus," with instructions to inform my teacher and classmates that Columbus did not discover America, and that my Uncle Hjalmar had written a book that proved it. You can imagine how well that went over! You probably know that Hjalmar Holand was an avid historian and a prolific writer, that he settled in Ephraim in Door County, Wisconsin, where he was a founding member of the Door County Historical Society and its long-time president. I'd heard the Rune Stone was his primary passion and that, sadly, much of his research was destroyed in a house fire in the 1940's. I'd love to see that play! Any chance it will make its way to Wisconsin?Wisconsin Historical Markershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16856686886264907619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-52935985647614231942014-08-21T15:45:53.338-07:002014-08-21T15:45:53.338-07:00Jeff,
That's an interesting thought that had ...Jeff,<br /><br />That's an interesting thought that had never occurred to me. I don't know for sure what type of serpent it is, but it certainly could be a cobra and that would beg the question, how could that be?Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-59827926939980953382014-08-20T22:33:31.927-07:002014-08-20T22:33:31.927-07:00Hi Scott, just wondering why on the serpent mound ...Hi Scott, just wondering why on the serpent mound episode nobody made the connection that the mound in Ohio is clearly a cobra? Ask any reptile professional and they will all tell you the same...cobra. These snakes are not native to the Americas.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10752548471938814018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-5163250089756339372014-08-14T13:55:39.847-07:002014-08-14T13:55:39.847-07:00please tell, I'll split it w/u.please tell, I'll split it w/u.snaPPed-twig authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554281608666363849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-35958639166522373032014-08-08T02:04:05.808-07:002014-08-08T02:04:05.808-07:00Dear Scott, I am an italian man, 66 years hold, I ...Dear Scott, I am an italian man, 66 years hold, I know the island were William Kidd<br />buried his treasure.<br />This island is not in USA.<br />Have you a interest?<br />My e mail address is highlanderholdem@fastwebnet.itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-66783182632824444992014-08-05T18:20:09.537-07:002014-08-05T18:20:09.537-07:00It's stories like these that skeptics fail to ...It's stories like these that skeptics fail to realize can happen when they put their personal beliefs ahead of science and common sense. Amanda's life had other challenges for sure, but it was the maniacal behavior of Johan Holvik that put her over the edge.<br /><br />It's a story that I'm glad is being told and one we can all learn from; hopefully... Scott Wolterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758613621836354475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7617813063932228103.post-76485982059068992332014-08-05T18:07:27.471-07:002014-08-05T18:07:27.471-07:00Thanks you for sharing this wonderful story with u...Thanks you for sharing this wonderful story with us! It's sad that the Ohman families were treated so badly by scholars, who were either charlatans or had their own agendas.It's so good to have a real truth seeker out there like you, Scott! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11439561853756799538noreply@blogger.com