Here we are at the final episode of the season and I have to say I think it is the best! It's jam packed with great content and introduces three amazing new inscriptions to the world. The evidence we document points to only one group having created all three; the medieval Knights Templar and how they made their way to North America. Allan Dawe contacted me four years ago as our run on History Channel ended and I wasn't able to see the inscription with my own eyes. This 4th season of America Unearthed was the perfect opportunity to see this inscription in Newfoundland, but also the identical symbol carved inside Wemyss Caves in Scotland. European scholars say medieval "Christian monks" lived inside the caves that could have been fugitive Templar's who escaped persecution in Europe after 1307 waiting for the opportunity to escape to North America. This is the most plausible way to describe the identical carvings on two separate continents.
I have long know of the map on the wall inside the sacristy at Rosslyn Chapel having written about it in my book, "The Hooked X: Key to the Secret History of North America." I first learned about the secret, and sacred, method of calculating latitude with a staff, crosier, or even a stick, reading Brother Ashley Cowie's 2006 book, "The Rosslyn Matrix." This brilliant exercise opened the door to other sacred esoteric knowledge the resonated with me as a scientist because, well, it was scientific. Ashley's calculations of the latitudes of the four lozenges was accurate for the both the allegorical, and literal journey from the Holy Land in "Old Jerusalem" to the sanctuary of the "New Jerusalem" in North America.
This episode looks into the beginning of the Templar's journey to establish a new home where people of ALL faiths could pursue life, liberty and happiness. It seems our country has forgotten many of the principles and tenants our Founding Fathers established after the Revolutionary War. That war was fought against the tyranny of the monarchs of Europe (King of England in this case), persecution of the Roman Catholic Church, and the corrupt way the two institutions legitimized each other. To find the motive behind the "Exodus of the Templar's" you need to look no further than our Constitution and the men who inherited the obligation from their medieval Templar brethren. Stay tuned, as the best is yet to come!
The morning sun breaks through the clouds as I get ready to shoot at the Wemyss Caves on the north side of the Firth of Forth in Scotland.
The Committee Films crew prepares to shoot a scene inside the large beehive shaped caves where archaeologists say medieval "Christian monks" (fugitive Templar's?) lived at Wemyss caves, Scotland.
Author, Tony McMahon, and I pose for a pic before shooting inside the legendary medieval church in Scotland; Rosslyn Chapel.
The amazing carving in the crypt at Rosslyn Chapel has two curved horns depicting the path of Venus as both a morning star in the east (right) and evening star in the west (left). The four vertically stacked lozenges in in the center represent, bottom to top, the latitudes of Jerusalem, Rosslyn Chapel, Orkney Islands, and Shetland Islands. The five-pointed star to the west represents the latitude of the Newport Tower in what the ancients called (A)Merica.
Field Producer and writer, Will Yates, enjoys a quiet moment with the sleeping cat that guards Rosslyn Chapel.
The "In Hoc Signo Vinces" Stone in Latin means, "In This Sign, Thou Shall Conquer".
Archaeologist, Brad Lidge, scientist, Jerry Lutgen, and me pose for a pic inside the Newport Tower during a break in filming on a perfect April day in Newport, Rhode Island.
Despite the really good scenes I shot with my friend, Donald Ruh, being cut from the final edit due to a wealth of content in this episode, we had a great time filming together in Newport, Rhode Island.
This panoramic view of the beautiful harbor on Long Island, in Newfoundland, Canada, was taken from the tiny secluded beach along the cliffs where the Haystack inscription can only be viewed a few hours a day at low tide. Cameraman Brendan Harris shoot the inscription draped in seaweed on the far right.
I was very dialed in studying the Haystack inscription for the short time we had when low tide allowed us to view it. The line of seaweed above my head indicates the high tide line.
The Haystack (left) inscription in Newfoundland, and the identical carving found at Wemyss Caves (right) in Scotland, are likely late medieval era symbolic representations of the Tree of Life indicating the carver's knowledge of the esoteric teachings of the Hebrew Kabbalah. The late medieval Templar's are one group who would have understood, and venerated, these Gnostic teachings.
Production assistant, Jay Chase-Jacobus, stands on the rocky shores of the easternmost point of North America. A large iceberg and be seen in the distance.
Field Producer, Janey Klebe, stands atop the beautiful shoreline at the easternmost point of North America, near St. John's, Newfoundland.
Tipster, Allan Dawe, and I pose in the beautiful secluded harbor of Quidi Vidi, in St. John's, Newfoundland, where we shoot the final scene of the episode.
The "Vinces" stone inscription doesn't look medieval in style. I'm not saying that it is an impossibility. However, if you put a picture of this inscription in a sample of legitimate medieval inscriptions and then asked a professional epigrapher to select the ones that look the least authentic for the time I believe this stone would be at or near the top of his or her list. Michael Champion's recent book Medieval Graffiti would be a good source to consider.
ReplyDeleteIt really doesn't even look like most of the writing style that I have seen on rocks in the U.S up to and including mid-19th century graffiti on the Oregon Trail. It appears to be much more consistent with late 19th or 20 century American writing style. In fact, the lettering appears to be more similar to that on J.G. Locke's early 20th century tomb in Denver than medieval era Templar inscriptions although that may be a subjective assessment.
This is the first time that I have heard of this topic. Has there been any professional analysis conducted?
James,
DeleteI have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of the text. The “In Hoc” inscription does indeed look like medieval Latin inscriptions I’ve seen. However, comparing the lettering style is fraught with problems. First, most medieval examples of block style Latin letters are carved into limestone and marble which is much softer rock than the metagraywcke in Newport. Second, the inscription is carved into bedrock on a beach as opposed to the relatively ideal conditions a stone mason would be working under. Further, the 2:1 ratio of the two lines of text speaks to the carver being initiated with knowledge sacred dimensions.
Al this together with the advanced stage of weathering of the inscription supports an age of several hundreds of years rather than a couple centuries.
I am the first professional person who any knowledge of an inscription like this who has weighed in that I am aware of.
It seems as though the subject has returned to the issue of "looks similar to" versus "looks the same as." Some points to consider:
DeleteA.I agree that the lettering style does not look medieval, but as Mr. Wolter notes that doesn't mean that one can't find examples. I took a quick look on google image and couldn't find any such inscriptions that struck me as bearing a striking resemblance to the carving, but one should take that for what it is worth.
I'm not a mason but let's assume that the inscription was not done under ideal conditions, for example, by an amateur without the appropriate tools and on an unusually hard surface. Is it not possible that the inscription would by necessity be rather shallow and rough looking. Is it not possible that a relatively poorly done inscription that is left exposed on a beach could take on a worn look in a matter of generations rather than centuries?
I cannot speak to the issue of sacred dimensions. But to inject a little humor here, I would note that one wall of my tool shed is exposed to the alley behind my house. As such it is sometimes subjected to the creativity of neighborhood teenagers who are wannabe graffiti artists. Based on the style and dimensions of these artistic endeavors compared to the inscription it would appear that they share the same knowledge of sacred dimensions. If comparing lettering style is fraught with problems as mr. Wolter asserts then shouldn't it be assumed that the same dilemma exists for comparing the inscription to those elsewhere and seeing sacred dimensions?
As with previous subjects, this is a topic that merits further exploration since the discussion thus far just raises many interesting questions rather than offering definitive conclusions. Perhaps we will be treated to more in-depth investigation of this and other topics next season?
Just saying when history.... or quantum physics ( in my case of study) is not what we always thought it was .... people come out in droves to disagree with true findings? Facts? And anger? But mostly disregard. Here is the facts Scott .... the scientific community.... can’t handle truth and change! They believe what was written long ago and it was truth to them and they will continue to fight for it.... why? Because it was written in hardcover books! And that’s what they were taught! But truly.... it is sad to see people that refuse to simply open their eyes.... smh! I guess there will always be the positive and the negative.... balance of life!
DeleteT. Ulrich/Key,
DeleteThere are so many angles to pontificate about regarding the inscription, pro and con, it is endless. Let's look at the facts. First, oral stories of the people who have lived closest to the inscription for three generations say it has been there for at least a century. Second, I would say the inscription is relatively well done by a reasonably skilled carver, yet under challenging conditions. The letters are well carved using a pecking technique, very legible with equal height and width, and have their own unique style. Third, the phrase's obvious connection to the Knights Templar and close proximity to two other medieval Templar artifacts, the Narragansett Rune Stone (with the Hooked X) and the Newport Tower, begs the highly plausible association be strongly considered. lastly, the advanced weathering of the inscription was hard to appreciate without seeing up close and in person, together with the other facts present a compelling case for a medieval origin.
One other important point to consider that was a lesson learned with the Kensington Rune Stone, is scholars for over a century made a big mistake from the outset of assuming because it was carved using mostly Scandinavian runes, it must follow the conventions and standards of runic inscriptions in Viking/medieval Scandinavia. This was a fatal flaw in the process of investigation. They tried to tell the KRS what it was supposed to be, instead of letting the artifact tell them what it is. Let's not fall into that same trap here shall we?
Until other facts come along, not skeptical musings, I'm sticking with the most plausible explanation the "In Hoc" Stone needs to be added to list of artifacts directly connected to fugitive medieval knights visiting North America circa 1400 and most likely many times before that.
The fact that the only record of the stone's existence is oral history placing it in that location for at least a century doesn't really offer the support that you think it does. Have you consulted a coastal geomorphologist for insights into whether the stone could have been hidden or exposed for the time frame in question? Have you conducted any historical reference in local archival records to determine if there is any reference to it other than oral history. Have you reviewed archaeological site reports for that general area which might yield clues of a non-Native American presence if there was supposed to have been multiple visits by non-Native Americans?
DeleteI think that you might put some thought into what constitutes skeptical musings versus valid points of criticism. A willingness to entertain alternative views, even strong ones, is a hallmark of good scientific inquiry.
I think that many would disagree with your use of the Kensington Stone as a data point to support the authenticity of the In Hoc stone. Compiling a loose collection of "artifacts" that are at best provisional or at worst widely acknowledged as hoaxes to authenticate any given object may sound sexy here, but doesn't work too well in settings where people are accustomed to much more rigor.
I will add that my intuition tells me that the inscription is Templar inspired but from a far later date. But I am not inclined to conflate intuition and certainty and am open to any new information that you uncover in the course of a more scientific investigation.
The woman who lives within 30 yards of the stone is 75 years old and saw the stone as a child. Her grandfather, who was born in 1880, also remembered the inscription when he was young according to her. This oral history in my view is, pardon the pun, rock solid. No other documented reports that we know.
DeleteUnfounded skepticism accomplishes nothing in my view. This is largely why scholars screwed up the KRS research so badly. They tried telling it what they thought it should be instead of approaching scientifically.
The Kensington Rune Stone is an authentic artifact and uninformed "others" can think whatever they want. Every linguistic, runic, dialect, grammar and dating complaints have been overturned to say nothing about the hundreds of years-old weathering documented by Newton Winchell and myself. They simply don’t want to admit they were and still are wrong which is a shame.
You are welcome to believe whatever you wish. Have we definitely proven the “In Hoc” inscription is medieval? No. However, based on the advanced weathering, the probability is in my view, that it’s hundreds of years old.
A story told by an elderly woman who repeated a story she claimed to have heard from her father is rock solid? I don't think that even an amateur folklorist would agree with you on that point. More unfounded skepticism I presume LOL? It still only gets you back to the late 19th century. So the point about the oral tradition not really accomplishing what you think it does still stands.
DeleteThere is quite obviously a difference between unfounded skepticism and expecting a rather extraordinary claim to be subjected to critical analysis using the appropriate methods and sources. I am happy to believe a claim that holds up to rigorous investigation. I'm simply pointing out that in this instance it doesn't thus far. If you actually conduct such research in the future and come up with something beyond old wives tales and weathering estimates (shaky stuff at best)that is convincing I will be happy to revise my beliefs on the matter. Let's revisit the matter if/when that happens.
Richard,
DeleteCarol Pardee have lived directly adjacent to the "In Hoc" inscription her entire life and her grandfather lived in the house before her parents. The inscription was well known and they apparently saw nearly every day of their lives. In this case, the oral tradition of Carol and her grandfather is as good as any I have ever heard.
You don't need to try to equivocate this as some type of extraordinary claim. I have interviewed her on-camera and personally multiple times going back over a decade. There is ZERO reason to question her claim.
As far as the weathering studies I performed, you can be as skeptical as you want. In any case, I stand behind my opinion the inscription is likely hundreds of years old as opposed to a century or so.
You seem to be missing the point. Even if the oral tradition is rock solid it only gets you back to the 19th century. So, either you have an unreliable oral tradition that dates the inscription to late 19th century or you have a rock solid oral narrative that dates the inscription to the 19th century. It's six of one or a half-dozen of the other. I don't see any need to belabor this point any more.
DeleteI think that if you check around you will find far more people trained in the appropriate fields who are cautious or skeptical of weathering studies than there are who have complete confidence in it. Unless you can suggest some recent published work in geology or geoarchaeology which might instill a bit more confidence in dating stone exposed on a beach for at least several generations. But I certainly won't begrudge you your opinion on the matter. Just saying that the dearth of unequivocal corroborating evidence to lend support to a form of dating that is still a work-in-progress would suggest a starting point in an investigation rather than a time to reach conclusion that one wants to stand behind.
I will now beat a dead horse by using the tired old assertion that we have now gotten this particular dead horse as tender as it is going to get. I will be happy to see any further research produced in the future on this topic.
Richard,
DeleteI did not miss the point; I fully understand what the oral stories mean. Further, I also understand the relative-age weathering studies we performed do not definitively dates the inscription to circa 1400. However, based on my opinion on the weathering, the oral stories the inscription appears the same as it did circa 1900, and the most likely scenario of who carved the inscription in my view, I stand behind the 1400 era date.
I am also hopeful more work can be done to help nail down the correct date of the inscription.
See this was kind of my point. Although Richard was more polite! He places you as a colleague but yet does not listen well. No Scott you did not miss the point! You are skilled and educated in your field. But to be a nay sayers based solely upon opinion with no back up evidence. Sorry but I DO NOT feel he is the right position to do that. Gather the proof yourself to sway your colleague to see and hear what you have to offer. But if you don’t have that to show US.... not us showing you... then you are wrong! It’s not Scott’s job to search for your evidence. It’s your job! You are the one .... and you did agree that you were... calling Scott out! It is not how science works.... education and skills of in the field work is what is needed. That SIR is not what you are representing by any means. Hence my previous calling you a troll!
DeleteDear Mr. Wolter,
DeleteGood day!
Thank you for your extraordinary work. Always breathtakingly interesting.
There's a site you visited in the late 1990's for an A & E series on Lost Worlds. I have searched to find the episode and the name of the site.
It is more than 22,000 feet above sea level in the mountains of Peru.
You were there for the summer solstice to film how the sun rose on a massive mountainside image of a serpent.
You said that not many know about it. The effect was striking.
Could you please tell me where it was?
I have been searching to no avail. Thank you.
Best wishes,
Sandra
Any word on a new season?
ReplyDeleteCorey1971,
ReplyDeleteNot yet.
I’m hoping that you visited America’s stone henge in NH. And the perfect alignment to the stars and England Stonehenge. Check it out
ReplyDeleteMTGoat,
DeleteWe did an episode on America's Stonehenge and revealed these alignments for the first time about 5 years ago. You should be able to find the episode on the web.
A fitting end to a grest season-we cant wait to see what you'll bring us next!
ReplyDeleteGlad you enjoy it; i did too!
DeleteI noticed that the templar caves you showed us have
ReplyDeleteCould the templar like a certain style of cave. If that was true would it be prudent to seek out caves along the entire presumed route I think their preferred style (after) the caves with small entrances and large galleries thanks for listening
These caves appear to have been used to hide fugitive Templar's who escaped England and France until they could be brought to North America for a fresh start. The cave we were in was beehive shaped with a narrow entrance that would have worked perfectly for defense purposes.
DeleteWhat, no mention of the Templars carrying their treasure to Oak Island? (I keed, I keed)
ReplyDeleteGreat season finale, Scott! Really enjoyed watching it. That Haystack inscription was an amazing find. I really hope further study can be made of it before it gets stolen/vandalized/eroded. And I didn't know that 2+ ton Narragansett Runestone that was stolen had finally been recovered. Glad to hear that. Hopefully more study can be made of that as well.
I liked that scene inside that Rosslyn Chapel crypt. I see where she was a bit skeptical of what you told her about those carvings. But what else could they be? Did she or anyone there have a sound theory on what they might represent?
Enjoyed seeing your collaboration with Brad Lidge there at the Newport Tower. As a Cardinals fan, I remember many a time where they would go up against Brad Lidge and that amazing stuff that he had. Glad to see he is doing well these days. Had no idea he was in the archeology field now. And I really hope you can get the necessary permits/permission to excavate the Newport Tower grounds.
Wonderful season finale, Mr. Wolter. Great episode from a great season of shows. I really hope it comes back! In the meantime, safe journeys to you. And will keep my fingers crossed for getting another season of America Unearthed on my TV screen!
Joe C,
DeleteI'm glad you enjoyed the episode which was easily my favorite too. There is a lot more Templar content to reveal, we could easily do a whole season of shows.
Best show of the season! This is the only search I am interested in. Has Scott followed the Curse of Oak Island series? I'd be interested in his opinion on that series. Lots of Templar references on Oak Island. Is the Oak Island treasure the Biblical relics from Jerusalem? Keep up the research on this subject. Hope for new season & mote on this topic. Waited for your comeback before. Guess I can wait for another return.
ReplyDeleteUnknown,
DeleteI have been to Oak Island years before the show started and I can tell you there is no treasure there. Enjoy it as a TV show.
Glad to see you back at it with the Knights Templar Scott! I'm also fascinated with connecting the dots with Sir Henry Sinclair's voyage to the new world (Diana Muir book was an eye opener!) and the Newport Tower. Glad to see Jerry Lutgen and Brad Lidge on this episode but not Donald Ruh (read his book too!). Keep on discovering that history of America was not what we were taught! Nick
ReplyDeleteYour explanation of the lozenges seems to be the opposite of the diagram you showed. Where you drag them to a map the squarest one landed closest to the equator while the narrowest diamonds landed closer to the pole.
ReplyDeleteWould you please explain?
DaveK,
DeleteThe square lozenge created by the shadows occurs at Rosslyn Chapel; perhaps that's why the east window features a square inside a circle. The of the lozenge gets flatter as you move closer to the equator and taller as you move north. That's about the simplest way to describe it.
What about the 2 lozenges in the stained glass?
DeleteWhat 2 lozenges in what stained glass?
DeleteBoth new-world inscriptions you showed were covered before you got there. Why didn't you clear more of the vegetation from the first and sand from the second to make sure there wasn't more to be seen?
ReplyDeleteDaveK,
DeleteIn the case of the Haystack inscription, I certainly thought about it, but we only had a little over an hour to view the inscription we knew was there and did what we needed to do.
The In Hoc Stone is another story. We have dug out the bedrock there more extensively in the past and there are other inscriptions there. I wrote about them in my "Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers" book.
Uh, Scott,
ReplyDeleteThe easternmost point in North America is either in Greenland or Alaska, not where the pretty lady was standing.
Uh Anonymous,
DeleteGreenland is a separate continent and not part of North America and I hate to break it to you, but Alaska is on the WESTERN side of North America.
Scott,
ReplyDeleteI have a problem with the Rosslyn Chapel lozenges too. I understand that the solstice sunrise angle can be used as a representation of latitude, and I understand that lozenges can be used to represent the solstice sunrise angle. But it is unintuitive to me that the Knights Templar should have used these lozenges as a roadmap to the new world.
The solstice sunrise angle at any point on earth’s surface can be observed four times a year (summer solstice sunrise and sunset, winter solstice sunrise and sunset). The four observations would be in directions opposite to each other. They can thus be represented as an X with the observer in the middle and each of the observed sunrise and sunset directions as one arm of the X. Just like the diamond shapes, the Xs for points near the equator would be flatter, the Xs for points towards the poles would be taller. I would therefore have expected the roadmap be a series of stacked Xs, not stacked diamond shapes. It seems much clearer, easier to carve, and it results in a similar overall shape.
To the Knights Templar Jerusalem was the center of the universe. I have a hard time to believe that they would have depicted Jerusalem’s lozenge at the bottom of the stack. Also they would likely have depicted the east direction up for the same reason.
Observing the solstice sunrise angle to determine latitude seems impractical. It can only be observed twice a year. Imagine you are a sailor who just arrived on an island in the north Atlantic. Do you really have to wait now for the summer or winter solstice to determine that you are in the right place?
The carvings of the lozenges at Rosslyn Chapel are inaccurate. The diamond shapes are not symmetrical and their sides are not truly parallel, so each lozenge represents four different angles. Which one is the solstice sunrise angle? Worse, looking at some of the lozenges, their sides seem curved. I don’t see how the carving could be of any practical use because of that.
The lozenges only represent latitude. That’s not enough to direct anybody anywhere. There would need to be some indication of longitude, or direction of travel, or distance for the lozenges to be useful for navigation. If the lozenges really were intended as a road map, we would see this additional information in the carving, but we do not.
Also in your post you mention (A)Merica. To my knowledge, Amerigo Vespucci introduced the term “America” for the new world in the 1500s.
Hans,
DeleteIt may be 'unintuitive' for you, but it's not for me or was it for the Templar's. The system is simple, works beautifully, and if you weren't initiated with the secret knowledge you'd have no idea what the lozenges represented. It's actually a brilliant system. X"s measured from the middle would work in theory, but you have half the distance within the circle to measure and therefore would have less accuracy with your lines and angles which is highly problematic.
The reason the Jerusalem lozenge is on the bottom is because it's in the southernmost position at approximately 32 degrees latitude north. The other three lozenges are appropriately placed in their relative positions going progressively north. Makes perfect sense to me.
As far as longitude goes, there is more to the carvings on the wall below the lozenges where there are converging lines that clearly represent longitude, and latitude, in the northern hemisphere. However, ancients mariners didn't need longitude since all you needed to do was dead recon on the latitude of your destination. Once you hit land you were there. That being said, I am convinced ancient mariners, and certainly the Templar's, knew how to calculate longitude suing a "drip cup" as a clock.
Lastly, who said anything about Amerigo Vespucci? Ancient mariners used Venus as an evening 'star' in the west to navigate to North America, among other places, and called it that 'blazing star,' "Merica."
Why you have to be so negative bro?
Scott...... I have seen the pentagon in the US... have you ever noticed it makes a full Freemasons star in the streets of Washington DC??? It surely does!!! Google it! Look at the maps..... yes Scott... Templar’s were here!!!! We do not create something like that by coincidence! Blessings Scott.... as a member of the OES .... I worry for you and what you are exposing! There are codes we take seriously.... and I do believe it is being used currently in a wrongful way in political agendas! And we all know these things are not meant to be shared! But kudos for the balls that others lack and you have to show the world!
ReplyDeleteKey,
ReplyDeleteI'm very aware of the sacred geometry of the Pentagon, to say nothing about all the other geometric secrets in D.C. What is OES? As far as what I'm exposing, you don't have to worry about me. My work has been, and my new book will be very soon be, published for all the world to see. I'm also aware of the dark forces trying to use certain knowledge for the personal good instead of the greater good.
The truth always finds a way to bubble to the surface eventually.
OES is the Order of the EASTERN STAR the first order of both male and FEMALE Freemasons, That has been accepted and acknowledged by the fraternal order of the original current masons proudly and publicly..... yes Scott ... you have sisters out here!!! Again.... you are correct..... as a third degree ..... we are not blind! I will most certainly read your book! Can’t wait! Please research our order! Cause I kinda feel good about the fact there was a Freemason sector that you didn’t know about!
DeleteAnd Amen brother.... the truth surely always does find its way...... as I am just a traveler “watching” from west to east! And God willing in my lifetime.... will “ watch” it come back from east to west!
DeleteKey,
DeleteI'm very familiar with Eastern Star in Minnesota and have given lectures to them. The ladies are wonderfully supportive of all branches of the Craft in our state.
Also Scott .... if ever you need to stop in your travels and just have a relaxing calm evening with an Italian dinner... and some good company..... in NY.... upstate ... you are welcome!!! More than welcome ! Free of course!!!! And it will never leave the lips of hold you! As a Criminal Defense Attorney.... you may hold that comment as legally binding if you so choose to! My email is noted in the sites page!
ReplyDeleteKey,
DeleteI'm in the process of setting up a lecture in Long Island right now. I'll let everyone know when that happens.
Outstanding..... again you are welcome in our home for a relaxing stay of need be. And I cannot wait to see all the future episodes! As well as reading your book. My husband is very interested in reading it as well!
DeleteReally enjoy the Knights Templar shows.
ReplyDeleteAnthony,
DeleteWe have enough content to do multiple seasons of Templar shows. Can't wait to get started!
Excellent!
DeleteRichard.... do me favor.... sit down!!! The man knows what he is doing! Are you seriously calling out a COLLEAGUE??? Not only is that distasteful... but soooo disrespectful!!! You are literally showing deep signs of being nothing more than a jealous troll!!! I get sometimes people do have information that others may not have knowledge of... but in this case .... you are definitely barking up the wrong tree!!!! Stop trying to make a name for yourself.... and sit down!!! I grew tired quickly of your ignorance towards a professional and skilled man in his profession..... find someone else to troll!!! Ffs!!!! Smh!
ReplyDeleteKey,
DeleteIt is a universal practice in any discipline and in social life in general to "call out" claims made by others. The more dramatic the claim the more likely people are going to be called upon to provide rigorous support for the claim. Insisting on some reasonable standard of evidence to support a claim is neither disrespectful nor ignorant nor trolling. If you choose to accept without question what people claim then that is your affair. But that gets us into the realm of faith rather than science.
Please note the title of this blog. It isn't Scott Wolter Praised. It isn't Scott Wolter Preaches. It isn't called Scott Wolter Only Answers Softball Questions. If Scott and people such as yourself are uncomfortable with dealing with challenging questions that would be considered perfectly acceptable in any intellectual settings or even down at the local pub then perhaps he should change the title of the blog and make it clear that only people operating on minimal evidence and maximum faith are welcome here and everyone else is an unwelcome troll. Science is no place for a thin skin.
Richard,
DeleteWhile I am perfectly fine with challenging questions and requests for supporting evidence and documentation when appropriate, I don’t have a lot of tolerance for arrogance and being rude. Not that you’ve crossed any lines yet in my view, but if you could try to work a little on your decorum it would be appreciated. I agree science should be rigorous and thorough, but manners also matter.
Just saying…
Please note that you have just stated that I haven't crossed a line. Yet, I have been subjected to some comments by Key that most objective observers would see as pushing the envelope in terms of manners and decorum. Perhaps you could make it clear to some of your more zealous supporters that there is no need for them to get defensive on your behalf and start playing the troll card the minute that someone offers up something to you a little stronger than an underhanded softball toss right down the middle. Otherwise I am quite confident that any response I get from Key will be quite different from my comments to him/her that one would be hard pressed to argue are lacking in decorum.
DeleteI would humbly submit that in the discussion section of any blog EVERYONE, including the operator needs to be diligent when it comes to manners. Most people don't like to deal with challenging questions, even appropriate ones. Quite easy to cross the line between a knee-jerk reaction to criticism and a reasoned response without really being aware of it.
Richard,
DeleteFair enough; decorum should be the same for all. I’ll try to be more fair and balanced going forward.
See here is my issue with your response Richard... too many people are in fact ignorant to the fact that faith and Science DO go hand in hand!!! Whoever separated God from Science needs to be slapped! Here is an equation for you to think about... God=‘s Science!!! Whether in a pub or in a professional setting I will stand by that! Without A highest power... Science as we know it does not exist!!! I will agree that it opens conversation for us to all collaborate... for sure!!! But not when we are only single and narrow minded to what scientists have been doing for years... knocking God out of the equation. There will never be real answers without faith. Faith triggers creativity and creativity triggers outside of the box thinking and outside of the box thinking triggers real results. You were in my opinion rude to Scott. He may not feel that way. And that is on him. But I do feel that way and am in fact entitled to my feelings and thought processes of what I see and read. You spoke to him in a belittling way. And many scientists have that problem! They think they know it all because that is what they learn or observe and they stick by it like concrete!!! That is NOT a factual thought process. A factual thought process is to you understand that we are barely scraping the surface of such a vast universe and ANYTHING really is possible!!! Without complete open mindedness... science becomes dead in the water!
DeleteAlso I am totally all for listening and collaboration by all means!!! It’s the tone of your writing that offended me. Your words as they were written. So perhaps we can all collaborate on a respectful level with no tone involved! Yes I did come out with my claws... and feel it was justified!
DeleteKey,
DeletePlease keep in mind that open mindness is always a challenge. It requires being open to the belief that your position is the correct one BUT also being open to the fact that it may not be. There have been many things in my life that my feelings told me were correct but that did not turn out to be the case when I checked my ego at the door and took a long look at both sides of an issue. Sometimes it was a hard pill to swallow. I agree that many things are possible although I am quite content to rule out the possibility that I will win a gold medal in the 100 mter dash in the next Olympics. But I also understand that there is a difference between possibility and probability and certainty. I guess it is possible that the moon has a chocolate center, but all the feelings in the world won't make it so in the face of scientific data to the contrary. Perhaps in the future retract those claws and give facts and logic a try. Very easy to label someone whom you disagree with as a troll but intelligently articulating why that is the case is a different story. You may FEEL that it was justified but claws and seeing open mindedness as a one way street just ain't working for you. Not a single bit of progress would be made in science if competing perspectives were rejected simply because of their tone, either real or imagined.
I don't see any reason to continue the discussion. However, the next time there is a new subject to discuss maybe focus on demonstrating why I or anyone else is wrong rather than immediately going from zero to Wolverine mode.
Richard, If you look at Key's blog (click on his name) you will find he is related to Persian royalty and has a degree as a Defense Lawyer from a college in Vermont. Also an MIT graduate. So I'd suggest you might want to listen to him and not quarrel with the presentation.
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Dear Anonymous, I am a female. Here is what gets me though the crawling bots from page to page. Yes the things you say are true! However I use military grade virus control and Trojan protection. My nickname is Key. So the fact that you just click on my nickname and found that all out shows me we are actually dealing with a hacker with great skills to have the crawlers connect all of that information. Well they can hack on I suppose... no nevermind to me! To anyone else who may be concerned about being truly anonymous! Writers beware!!!
DeleteKey, If you say so. You look pretty male in your pictures on the internet. "Military grade virus control and Trojan protection"? Okay, have it your way. No hacking needed, I just used Google. If you're concerned about anonymity don't link to your blog.
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My married name is and can I can be found on Facebook as Kienne Angela Pisano.... lmao.... far from a man!!! I assure you!!! So whoever is hacking is also twisting things a bit!!!
DeleteAnonymous,
DeleteKey sure looks like a woman to me.
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Delete"Richard, If you look at Key's blog (click on his name) you will find he is related to Persian royalty"
So what? According to "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" my mother is related to Jesus. We laughed ourselves to tears when I showed her the book. Claiming relation to royalty is like saying you have relatives in Arkansas, Utah, or Mississippi. Over glorified inbreeding.
"Also an MIT graduate. So I'd suggest you might want to listen to him and not quarrel with the presentation.
Again...So what? I have met MIT graduates who couldn't tie their own shoes. Some are so socially awkward they are essentially hermits. Likeable people but, I wouldn't trust them with my kids. Would you trust your children with a Catholic priest?
That I surely am scott!!!! Lmao.... born as one and remain as one!!! Just saying... I am all woman !! 100 percent! Has nothing to do with how others choose to identify.... but for me ... I speak the truth... !!! That response made me laugh sooo hard.... people just do not understand the full extent of hacking!! The shit Is relentless and NEVER ENDING! And when they don’t get what they seek.... they set traps!!! It’s a mind fk game!!! Again.... writers beware!!!
DeleteAnd Scott ... don’t let him play you.. “he looks forward to”... blah blah blah.... looking for more reasons to make a name for himself!!!! Nothing more.... brother you already know.... I see him... as do you!!!! Let him travel from south to north! He is confused as to who he is dealing with....
ReplyDeleteKey,
DeleteI'm not being played even if that was his/her intention. Trolls give me an opportunity to educate and slap down silly statements. As far as trolls go, the last thing they ever do is use their real name. Their sole purpose is to play "gotcha" and try to make me and others look bad. Of course they only make themselves look stupid, but by posting as anonymous...
It's the coward's way of operating, but it's what coward's do.
Lol..... very true! Good points! Have a Blessed day!
ReplyDeleteIf the triple-barred cross on the shoreline of Canada is a cryptic Templar land claim, does that mean the triple-barred cross in the Weymss cave is also a land claim. If not, what distinguishes the two from each other?
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B. Artiss,
DeleteI don't recall saying the Haystack inscription was a land claim? The Kensington Rune Stone is definitely a land claim.
I saw this show last night, but sent you a msg on twitter before reading this. If you did do this in April then this was before I deciphered the Narragansett Runestone in June
ReplyDeletehttps://peterkhanzendran.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-narragansett-runestone-deciphered.html
I was amazed you never contacted me, Dave schock, or even Jim Egan about this.
Peter,
DeleteI don’t recall getting anything from you. I read your blog and while it is true that in addition to sounds, runes can also represent words, concepts, astronomical symbols, etc., I find your translation just as likely as anyone else’s. Just because you think you’ve deciphered it, doesn’t mean you have. Further, the Hooked X is a unique and diagnostic symbol that points to one and only one group who had the means and motivation, and together with the multiple related artifacts and sites proximate to Narragansett Bay gives conclusive support it’s true meaning.
You might also want to do a little digging to find out who took the Narragansett Rune Stone, when, and why he took it. It was reported in the local papers and on this blog.
I cannot express this enough..... The hooked X has me soooo intrigued .... I am going to be “on” every single new piece of information brought forth from your research Scott. I think people are all so very different and have different intentions. Some are haterzzzz and jealous that someone noticed something seriously significant in history, some are mad because they do not like forward learning processes they are stuck in their own mentality that change is not good, some are excited to see ( really see) serious evidence that ... yessss this is real science and it means something... ( my category)! And some are just to damn dumb to give a crap... like lost wandering ants in the world . They are too caught up in themselves and what they learned in their schooling and just never want to learn anything new unless it has media appeal.... for all the people out their that are not in the category of excitement of actually seeing our true past ... I feel bad for them! They miss out on so much truth! “Surface” people are the hardest to deal with... there is so much more to life than social media and baby mamma drama.... I personally just cannot see myself as a wandering ant in this large world. You are doing what your passion brings you to do! You are living the real life! Fk money.... fk ignorance.... fk social media drama... you are LIVING...... really LIVING...! Yessss .... how much better does it get than to live doing what we have such passions for? It doesn’t!!! I am sure you spend many “ middle of the nights” with brain clicks! You know when that moment of putting those puzzle pieces together suddenly just slams us! And then we are up the rest of the night with our minds racing as we see things so much clearer.... I can relate! And I wouldn’t give it up for the world! I am personally seriously interested in the following topics: History, Criminal Law, and Quantum Physics. Ok.... I’ll add a bit of politics to that list ( unfortunately) lol..... but that BANG moment in the middle of the night when we are most calm and resting.... they are the best!!! Yeah... I am on the hook..... I can’t wait to see more and watch! ( did I mention fishing ... lol... yeah another passion) girls gotta LIVE too!!!! Blessings Scott!
DeleteKey,
DeleteWow... I'm not sure what you're drinking, but whatever it is pour me tall one! Just kidding; thank you for the kind words and for the passionate expression of your views. I wholeheartedly agree that life is about pursuing your passions and learning as much as you can about whatever you enjoy most. I wish I had a stronger interest in history earlier in my life, but have always pursued whatever I was into with passion and zeal. I will continue to do that for as long as I have left in this life.
Thanks again for the invigorating and positive comments; glad you have been inspired and keep on learning and growing!
Lmao... it was Heineken!!! What gave it away the word...their.. when it was supposed to be ... there... ? Too funny......But still meant every word!!
ReplyDeleteKey,
DeleteHa! I misspell words all the time, it happens when you go fast or are excited about something. All good!
I'm so glad you came back to ri I really wish I knew about this soon
ReplyDeleteMario,
DeleteI'm sure you can catch reruns. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to do more. We'll see.
Wow..... I got a comment review somehow by someone who clearly named themselves even though they listed under anonymous... E.P. Grinding was the name.... I know you had to have seen the comment Scott... Idk how I got the review in my email.... but .... that was crazy! He needs to go sit his/her ass down somewhere! That was the rudest thing I could have seen! They must think their vulgarity makes them look good!?!? Got me!!! See like I said before .... when it comes to certain topics like science (having a degree directly from MIT myself in Physics) people have such a hard time accepting what is factual and not. Taught from books they can’t accept change. I also go through this in my everyday life as well having another degree from Vermont Law as a Criminal Defense Attorney. Instead of actually getting their asses out in the field and searching for real truths. They would rather say such false things all based on textbooks that are as outdated as they apparently are! My apologies Scott that someone treated you like that! Smh.....
ReplyDeleteKey,
DeleteThat was one of those comments that doesn't deserve to be posted. I'm a little surprised they went to the effort to send their comments directly, but how would they know who you are and how to contact you?
Unless of course they were speaking to me.... that thought just hit me. I can’t see why else I was able to see that response and it was sent to me. As comments must be approved... if that IS the case... lmao.... he/she cannot be that dumb to post a sorry ass link from the 40’s that is a half page long with no credentials whatsoever on it and think I would not laugh that off as straight stupidity!!! But then again.... crazy people are everywhere!!! For sure!
ReplyDeleteIt must have been to your comment as I had no idea what they were referring to. In any case, trolls get a very short leash here, or for profanity-laced comments like that one, none at all...
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DeleteHey Scott, love America Unearthed. Question: Have you heard of Daniel J Duke's work on Jesse James and the Templar Treasure? He's the great great grandson of Jesse James.... Its a recent book of Dukes. authordanduke dot com
ReplyDeleteAaron,
DeleteYes, I am familiar with Daniel's new book. Have yet to read it though. Not sure what the connection could be between Jessie James and the medieval Templar's, but I'm willing to keep an open mind to hear/read his case.
Also I damn sure did not link to any blog.... pay attention... you just might learn something about hackers!! And just how good they are! Oh... and I do in fact have military grade protection. Which is WHY I had to present myself as who I really am!!! FULLY!!! Hacker knew what he/ she was doing!!! Calling me out.... say non truthful things... piss me off... make me stand up for myself ! Lmao ... give me a break!!!! If I had shit to hide.... ok .... that may have worked! But I don’t!!!! I am a OES!!! Stand up with purity.... or sit the fuck down!!! Factzzzz
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Bond Rideout,
DeleteBest way to get a hold of me is here: swolter@amengtest.com