The Newport Tower
In Hoc Signo Vinces Stone
In Hoc Signo Vinces Stone
The Narragansett Rune Stone
Cistercian Abbey Ruins in Cumberland, Rhode Island
The Westford Knight Bronze Statue
The Westford Boat Stone
The Tyngsboro Map Stone
The Lake Winnipesaukee Mystery Stone
Pat Shekleton passed along these pages of early notations of latitude AND longitude in degrees/minutes form from a manuscript dated to 1515. https://archive.org/details/luculentissimaqu00schn
As I was writing in my new book about possible connections with old mysterious artifacts and sites that have intrigued us for a long time, I stumbled upon something I think is very important. Bill Mann deserves credit for putting the "Templar Meridians" into my head in the first place and in his 2006 book pointed out the 72 degree meridian these points seem to be connected with. Check out what the Google Earth longitudes are for these things places:
Newport Tower
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(71.19 W)
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In Hoc Signo Vinces Stone
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(71.19 W)
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Narragansett Rune Stone
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(71.24 W)
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Cistercian Monastery in Cumberland
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(71.24 W)
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Westford Knight & Hooked X
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(71.26 W)
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Westford Boat Stone
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(71.28 W)
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Tyngsboro Map Stone
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(71.25 W)
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America's Stonehenge
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(71.12 W)
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Mystery Stone at Lake Winnipesaukee
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(71.19 W)
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Old Quebec City
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(71.12 W)
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Without even getting into the non-contextual nature of the items you listed as being related to Templars.
ReplyDeleteThe coincidence of location does not prove items are related and it most certainly does not prove a group of people had secret knowledge of accurately calculating longitude hundreds of years before the marine chronometer was invented.
Anonymous,
DeleteCoincidence huh? Now you’re just being silly. The context of these items has already been investigated and the most likely origin for all but the two sites are the medieval Templars. The truth is you’re completely taken aback by these facts. The only thing any reasonable person can conclude is the Templars were able to determine longitude with reasonable accuracy as further evidenced by the 12th Century Zena Halpern map of Nova Scotia.
Blanket dismissal of the obvious doesn’t cut it for a contrary argument I’m afraid.
Scott,
DeleteYes coincidence, you have no other evidence other than what you "believe", therefore you relate to coincidence of location as evidence. Why are you even including the two other sites that have no relevance? Just so you can say more things show up on some sort of line (most of those items are between 16 - 20 km difference in longitude from each other).
The context of these items has been investigated by archaeologists and historians and the most likely origin for these sites IS NOT Templars. Please cite (other than your own) a scientific/academic publication that has investigated these items, and based on evidence/context concluded that they are Templar related.
The Zena Halpern map of Nova Scotia is NOT EVIDENCE. It is a copy based on a copy of a map that supposedly exists but no one has ever seen it. I have read that you said Halpern has that info but it has never been published, so it can not be used.
You sir are the one in blanket dismissal of the archaeological and historical record.
The archaeologists and historians you mention have no clue what any of these artifacts and sites are. All they have proven is how incompetent they are, and in some cases, worse when it comes to the overwhelming pre-Columbian evidence that has been punching them in the face for over a century.
DeleteTurning a blind eye to this evidence and being an unabashed apologist for this abhorrent behavior says a lot about whoever you are. Be an adult and put your name behind your comments pal. And please refrain with the worn out “scientific/academic publication” argument. Good grief; talk about complete institutional failure to figure out one of the most obvious and important pieces of American history. There has been plenty of conclusive factual evidence has been published, by me and many others. That academia can't process that evidence, or continues to ignore it because it doesn’t meet some arbitrary standard they want to hold it to, simply doesn’t work.
Zena’s map has been published and, copy or not, it's still important and there's lot more coming.
Coincidence indeed!
Scott,
ReplyDeleteI don't know why my name has to do with anything regarding my comments. I'm simply interested in the evidence based history.
All of the experts in their field are incompetent? All the archaeologists and universities across the world, none of them know what they are doing and only ignore evidence because it doesn't fit their "arbitrary standard"? That seems like a stretch, and if the "scientific/academic publication" is not the standard for publishing new evidence and ideas, then what is? Where are new understandings and techniques of geology published?
What about the thousands of consultant archaeologists not associated with universities that conduct archaeological surveys and excavations on a daily basis? Are they all incompetent as well? They have not uncovered any evidence that backs your claims.
Pre-Columbian evidence is not something being ignored by the academic community. In fact, L'Anse aux Meadows (11th Century) in Newfoundland was identified and excavated in the 1960's, that's over 50 years ago. The Red Bay Basque whaling site (16th Century) in Labrador was excavated in 1978.
I am honestly not trying to get your back up, or troll, or be some sort of apologist. I am simply interested in evidence, and would love if you could direct me to some other than your own.
This will be my last post as I can see we will not agree and our conversation/debate will likely get nowhere.
Regards
First off, it does matter when people having a meaningful conversation introduce themselves. It’s simply everyday courtesy that shows mutual respect. I don’t believe the rules are different whether it’s face to face or on-line. Call me old fashioned, but I think it matters.
DeleteSecond, please tell me how the entire academic community, essentially, has a mandate that no cultures from other continents visited the shores of North America between circa 1000 B.P. and the late 15th century. This position doesn’t even pass the smell test because it simply didn’t happen. How can they willfully ignore the obvious architectural, numerous astronomical alignments, and symbolic aspects of the Newport Tower that scream medieval Knights Templar, to say nothing about the structural inadequacies for it to serve as a windmill?
Several years ago before giving a concrete lecture to a group of professional structural engineers, I flashed a picture of the Newport Tower on the screen and asked if the structure could serve as a windmill. Their response was collective, but polite laughter. This isn’t heavy lifting for a competent historian, yet they simply won’t go there. You tell me why?
Why do you consider my research to somehow be unacceptable or inferior? My latest research over the past few years is posted in numerous blog here. The Hooked X symbol on the Narragansett Rune Stone is only found associated with the Cistercians and Knights Templar and carved into ossuary of the their bloodline and ideological ancestor in Jerusalem. The fundamental problem with my research in the academic’s view isn’t the work itself, it’s because I don’t follow their rules when I publish and present it. Because of this academia and their agents send trolls here to try to discredit me since they can’t attack the facts. Recently, a failed academic filed multiple complaints with several state geological licensing boards to try to discredit me, and failed each time. And then there’s our wonderful Swedish Professor who, along with my former co-author, resorted to an elaborate fraud scheme involving the Kensington Rune Stone that still needs to be rectified. Where is the outcry in academia to hold these people accountable? Crickets…
The reason there isn’t any legitimate academic research in this arena is because they simply don’t know how to deal with it. Freemasonry and it’s progenitor, medieval Templarism, are complex ideological subjects that most academics don’t even know where to begin to try and understand it. In fact, most modern Freemasons don’t truly understand what is at the core of the Craft. This lack of understanding combined with the negative ideological influence of the Church with its financial influence over so many academic institutions has created an environment that, along with conservative political forces, are dead set against this historical truth coming out. This is largely responsible for the mess we now have.
The collective facts are consistent and conclusive and this cute longitudinal alignment is just a tidbit of the voluminous evidence that is there. It just needs to be taken seriously by academia. The other issue is they need to admit they need help, and then reach out and ask for it. We’ll be happy to give it to them, but it starts with simple common courtesy like introducing yourself.
Scott,
Delete"Second, please tell me how the entire academic community, essentially, has a mandate that no cultures from other continents visited the shores of North America between circa 1000 B.P. and the late 15th century." - Scott
There is no mandate. Since the discovery of the Viking (11th Century) site at L'anse Aux Meadows in Newfoundland in the 1960's, the entire academic community has been aware that other cultures visited the shores of North America. In fact, a 5 minute search on Academia.edu shows a lot of research has been done on this:
https://www.academia.edu/27754784/Norse_Transatlantic_Trade_and_the_Spread_of_Typhus_from_North_America_to_Eurasia
https://www.academia.edu/488265/Who_Lived_at_LAnse_aux_Meadows
https://www.academia.edu/3332641/LAnse_Aux_Meadows_Leif_Erikssons_Home_in_Vinland
https://www.academia.edu/10346409/Rediscovering_the_New_World_the_search_for_LAnse_aux_Meadows
https://www.academia.edu/2332964/Late_Holocene_Hunter-Gatherers_at_LAnse_aux_Meadows_and_the_Dynamics_of_Bird_and_Mammal_Hunting_in_Newfoundland
In fact just this year, academics were investigating another possible Viking site in Canada:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/viking-dig-point-rosee-newfoundland-2016-1.3751129
On the West Coast the same thing:
http://www.sino-platonic.org/complete/spp133_precolumbian_voyages.pdf
Going back even further, to the original population of the Americas:
https://www.academia.edu/8031985/The_Kelp_Highway_Hypothesis_Marine_Ecology_the_Coastal_Migration_Theory_and_the_Peopling_of_the_Americas
These references were all found with a quick google search, so your argument that academics are holding on to some mandate holds no value.
All research is valuable. However, if it is not published in an evidence based, peer-reviewed, scientific nature, then it is just words. Where are the geology works published? On blogs? Or at geology conferences and respected, scientific geology journals?
Not one, I repeat, not one artifact pre-dating the 17th Century has ever been found during any archaeological excavation at Newport Tower. You claim archaeologists don't know how to deal with Freemasonry or medieval Templarism, but archaeologists can understand artifacts, dating them and their context. So regardless of your statement, no physical evidence has ever been found. If Templars built the tower, where is the physical evidence? Please don't cite window alignment, that's not physical evidence.
Please, there is no conspiracy against you, and archaeologists legitimately want to find the truth. There are also thousands of non-academic archaeologists and historians that you aren't accounting for.
Regards,
Your name please…? You didn’t need to post five references to articles about L’Anse aux Meadows; I’ve been there and am well aware of Rosee Point. You missed my point the 1000 B.P. reference point was L’Anse aux Meadows.
DeleteAs far as the Newport Tower is concerned; amateur archaeologists dug under the sidewalk for the first time when it was replaced in 2008, and found remnants of two wooden beams, 16 feet off center from two of the stone columns. It was a salvage dig and I’m surprised you didn’t hear about it? That’s right; I forgot, my books don’t count. Then you also didn’t read about the shell fragment attached to a piece of mortar that dated to the mid-1400’s. Granted, the shell could be older than the mortar, but not likely. When considering the error factor of the test result, it’s right in the wheelhouse of the likely construction date of circa 1410.
In any case, you’ve probably heard the phrase by archaeologists that, “People didn’t poop where they prayed.” In other words, a pristine archaeological footprint in and around a chapel isn’t a surprise; especially considering the Templars/Cistercians who practiced extreme cleanliness, but then you already know that right?
Don’t you find it strange that for someone who has performed and published, arguably, more legitimate research on the Kensington Rune Stone than anyone else in its history, that neither my name, or any of my three books, or any of the numerous articles I’ve written, nor any of the awards for engineering excellence I've received for my research are mentioned on the KRS Wiki page? This is amazing to me considering a true academic, Professor Emeritus Alice Kehoe’s book is listed. Alice praises the research Dick Nielsen and I published in our KRS book and concludes we proved the KRS was authentic. The same is true for my work on the Bat Creek Stone and the Tucson Lead Artifacts Wiki sites. Wiki Squatters sanitize all of these pages for anything that suggests these artifacts could be authentic and I can prove it. Yes, there is a conspiracy against mine and other’s work and has been for a long time.
I think we’re done with this discussion. You won’t introduce yourself nor accept the voluminous facts that continue to bloody your nose. Let’s call it a day shall we?
You cannot argue with an idiot Anonymous. Especially on their own blog.
DeleteS. Simon
I find it interesting that 'anonymous' feigns an air of scientific concern while simultaneously dismissing clear evidence. That line of reasoning would suggest that any discovery that isn't backed by previous publications just doesn't exist; which isn't reasonable (or logical) by any means.
ReplyDeleteAurea Thesarum,
DeleteThese are the same old tactics all the skeptics use. They pretend they didn't hear the facts because they're too busy telling us about peer review. Then when peer review is produced, they claim it's not good enough because it doesn't meet some continually changing arbitrary standard. The academic peer review process in far too many cases has failed to do it's job. There are lots of reasons, but it's the same old crap that keeps us shrouded in darkness about the true history of this continent.
~~Spiritual warriors seek and find truth. Antagonists argue the discovery of truth that contridicts their own sacrosant beliefs, resulting in accusations against the 'truth bearer.' This is the history of the French/Roman Catholic Church desecration and destruction of Knights Templar culture and history.~~
ReplyDeleteI think you're on to something.
ReplyDeleteAdd to that list the Upton Chamber in Upton, Massachusetts at 71.35 W.
Also note the perfectly straight line which connects Gungywamp in Connecticut, through the Upton Chamber, through an unnamed site at 71.26 W and straight to America's Stonehenge.
The mound,
DeleteUpton Chamber is a good one and your line-up of these three pre-Templar sites suggests there likely are other alignments going on. One comment I heard recently is the longitudinal meridians could also correspond to ancient lines of differential magnetism called "Ley Lines." The Ley Lines are also oriented in horizontal directions...
Hey Scott,
ReplyDeleteHypothetical situation. Obviously these two groups never met, because they are separated by hundreds of years. In a hypothetical battle, each side/army gets 30 foot soldiers and 10 cavalry, on flat terrain, who would win: the knights Templar or Ancient Roman soldiers(from the height of the empire). The Templars were obviously very skilled warriors and secretive(though that wouldn't help in this situation), while Roman Soldiers were very strategic, disciplined, and also skilled warriors. So Scott, in a hypothetical battle like this, who would win: Templars or Ancient Romans?
Fredo
Fredo,
DeleteI would pick the Templar's because they would have had better chainmail and armor as well as stronger, lighter steel swords that gave them an advantage in battle. I'm sure they also understood all the Roman strategies and had a few new ones of their own.
Sir knights all the way!
For a short time my wife and I had a tiny apartment at 41.46, -71.29, which is in Newport just a short walking distance to the Breakers. The Breakers was the summer cottage (in fact, a mansion) of the Vanderbilts. It would appear that the Vanderbilts were connected to the Freemasons (for example see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra's_Needle_(New_York_City). So, one wonders if the Breakers and other nearby prominent homes were located there because of the great ocean views or if they were attracted to this meridian for historic/symbolic reasons. Perhaps the Breakers should be added to you list?
ReplyDeleteAlso, I see that you are not fond of the idea that the sites you list could be arranged the way they are due to coincidence. Perhaps you are right. But some of them are located around or in the shadow of Narragansett Bay. I wonder if that is the more likely common denominator for some of them, rather than a meridian.
Most of us have lived with the idea that the ability to measure longitude was a major navigational problem that really did not get solved until the 18th century. If so, how could Scott's claim in this post be correct. Well it turns out that a fellow named Crichton Miller has published a potential solution in a book called the The Golden Thread of Time(crichtonmiller.com). I haven't read it yet, but it appears that he has demonstrated how a simple tool can be used to make a reasonably accurate estimate of longitude anywhere on the planet. Importantly he concludes that this type of tool was actually in use by ancient mariners, long before the invention of modern navigational tools such as the sextant. Do we know that the Knights Templars had access to this tool? No, but it does not seem like a great leap to think that they did.
ReplyDeleteJerry,
DeleteThank you for jogging my memory. I read Miller's book a few years ago and was favorably impressed he had indeed discovered the ancients' method of determining longitude. He was pretty impressed himself. In fact, so much so that he patented the process.
The instrument used was essentially the Celtic Cross that, as I recall, worked not only for determining longitude with reasonable accuracy, but could also be used to determine the angles and declination.
Thanks for bringing this up; I'm going to dig that book out and take another look!
Incidentally, I know you know a little something about calculating odds. What are the odds these 10 artifacts and sites are all within 16 minutes of latitude over a N-S distance of approximately 350 miles of longitude?
You are going to wish that you didn't ask! The answer to this kind of problem depends a great deal on how you frame the question. Basically, if you write down your ten specific sites before you know ANYTHING about their location and only after you make your list do you find out that they are all near a PRE-specified meridian (with a given narrow width) then you would be able to say (without using a calculator) that the odds of this happening by chance are nearly zero. On the other hand, if you are just looking around and you find a (fuzzy)line that intersects sites that you THEN decide form a set of like objects then the odds of that happening are MUCH higher and difficult to calculate. My feeling is that your claim lies somewhere in the middle of these two scenarios and hence very difficult to calculate odds. In situations like this I would say that the attempt to estimate probabilities is not worth it. I think your energies are more efficiently spent working out the historical foundations for a claim like this.
DeleteCeltic and Gallic mythology is full of stories about an "other world" on the other side of the Atlantic. In the Americas; the natives who have lived on the East coast have corresponding mythology or pale skinned visitors from the other side of the Atlantic. They even share many common words for ancient things such as a house. For there to not have been trans-Atlantic voyages is incredulous at best.
ReplyDeleteRabiddogg,
DeleteNative cultures on this side of the Atlantic know all about the early visitors and the men who wore white tunics with red crosses. Scholars completely dismiss these oral stories as the "telephone game" while at the same time try to label people like me as "Racist" claiming that I believe certain artifacts and sites were "too advanced" for Native Americans to have made.
They never say it to my face of course, but this is the most dishonest form of argumentation I can think of. They accuse me of being insensitive to natives while at the same time archaeologist's continue to excavate Native American burial mounds in the interest of "science." Talk to Native elders and see what they think about archaeologists' history of digging up their ancestors.
"They accuse me of being insensitive to natives while at the same time archaeologist's continue to excavate Native American burial mounds in the interest of "science." Talk to Native elders and see what they think about archaeologists' history of digging up their ancestors."
DeleteHmmm. And yet you and your XplrR partner, J. Hutton Pulitzer, announced plans to excavate "giant" bones, not knowing if they may be Native American or not @ https://soundcloud.com/investigatinghistory/giants-in-minnesota-america-unearthed-season-1-episode-4-review-with-scott-wolter-goxplrr
Hypocritical pot, meet kettle.
Heather Shilo
Heather,
DeleteHutton jumped the gun on that announcement. If this salvage excavation happens it will be done with qualified archaeologists in an area scheduled for future development. We’ll see what happens.
You know exactly what I’m talking about with the Smithsonian Mound excavation program. Care to address that relevant point or are we going to play dodge ball?
Scott,
DeleteYou stated above that archaeologists are incompetent. But now you are using qualified archaeologists for an excavation? Or were you just stating that they don't know how to deal with Templar ideologies in the archaeological record?
Are you engaging with the local Native American Band for which your excavation is going to take place?
Regards
Are you talking about the Smithsonian Mound excavations that took place in the late 1800's - early 1900's?
DeleteInformation about why and how that began can be found here:
https://siarchives.si.edu/history/exhibits/henry/anthropology
Anonymous,
DeleteYes, this is exactly what I am talking about. While the Smithsonian is going to put positive spin on the program; it was essentially a mission to look for gold and other riches they thought natives had buried with their dead, and to sanitize anything found in the mounds that might threaten the Manifest Destiny narrative. They sure weren’t going to get cooperation from the natives in learning about them and their past as the government was in the midst of native American cultural genocide.
Things like the Bat Creek Stone got away from them because they didn't understand what it was at the time of discovery. They continue to try and fail to "put the toothpaste back in the tube" and it only further exposes their dishonesty with regard to this artifact.
I did NOT say all archaeologists are incompetent; there are some very good ones out there that I have interacted with. Yes, I am saying they don’t know how to deal with the Templar/Native American secret societies in the archaeological record and the oral traditions of many native tribes. However, they could find assistance if they made an effort to reach out to the appropriate parties.
DeleteI am not at liberty to discuss details of the other project thank you.
Scott,
DeleteBut you have stated that America was founded by Templar/Native American secret societies, that's why they didn't need to retrieve the KRS.
So now you are saying that the same Templar/Native American secret societies which were running the government were on a mission of cultural genocide and murder of their own people?
Anonymous,
DeleteYou’ve either intentionally convoluted what I’ve said or you’re simply not that bright. Why don’t you reload and try again.
Scott,
DeleteIn your 'Kensington Rune Stone Inscription Finally Solved!' blog post on July 2, 2016 you stated, "The KRS land claim was the beginning of the founding of what would become the United States of America. The Cistercians/Knights Templar began the effort to establish what they called the “New Jerusalem” which was successfully completed in the late 18th Century by their ideological direct descents; modern day Freemasonry."
Then in the comments section of that blog post on August 23, 2016 you state:
"... 3. The Templars shared a similar ideology and intermarried with Native Americans. This point was critical and absolutely necessary. Native elders with the Wampanoag Tribe in Rhode Island have told me directly they would have killed the strangers that came here unless they had a wampum, or pass, to step on land. They didn’t fight their way to Minnesota, they traveled with their native “blood brothers.”
5. They weren’t running low on supplies traveling with the native brethren. The Templars were part of a secret society that was ideologically opposed to the Roman Catholic Church and the monarchs of Europe. These Templars placed the land claim in the center of the continent that would eventually be exersized by their ideological descendants, the Freemasons. That sanctuary is what we now call the United States of America.
6. Many stayed, took wives and assimilated with natives and some returned to continue the long-range mission..."
So how have I convoluted anything you said?
Mr. Anonymous,
DeleteNope, you’ve got those parts spot on; glad to see you're paying attention. Surely you know there are factions within all governments that are influenced by differing ideologies? The recent U.S. election illustrated this point quite dramatically. While it was dominantly Freemasons and Masonic principals that founded our democracy, there are certain political factions within our government that do not embrace these same ideals. Most notably right-wing Christian conservatives.
Do I need to say more?
"Nope, you’ve got those parts spot on; glad to see you're paying attention. Surely you know there are factions within all governments that are influenced by differing ideologies? The recent U.S. election illustrated this point quite dramatically. While it was dominantly Freemasons and Masonic principals that founded our democracy, there are certain political factions within our government that do not embrace these same ideals. Most notably right-wing Christian conservatives. "
DeletePerfect summary of this whole endeavor.
I am in full agreement.
Yes. Please go on. This is better than the Saturday morning cartoons of old. You trying to keep all of your convoluted stories straight.
DeleteAnonymous,
DeleteWhen you have nothing left to criticize you give us a slight about cartoons? That's your response?
Go watch Bugs Bunny and come back when you want to have a serious discussion.
So let me get this straight,
DeleteTemplars traveled with Cistercian monks to North America, unbeknownst to all of Europe, without ever documenting it (not to mention hundreds of years before the Templar order was established). When they got to North America, they realized they shared ideologies with all of the different Native American groups (who don't share the same ideologies), shortly after arriving they married and interbred with Native Americans, or their "blood brothers" as you say.
They then built and left mysterious stone objects and traveled to the interior of what? North America? America? To place other stones, coded with Norse runes that no one other than their order could interpret, as a land claim to establish their "New Jerusalem"? If it was a land claim, why not write in a way and language that most Europeans would understand? Also how did they know they were in the interior? How would they know the western end of North America, not to mention northern and southern reaches?
Their Templar/Native American descendants then went on to found the country of America, on Freemason and Templar ideals? But only for white people? So the founding fathers were actually Native American?
The same government they founded then went on a systematic genocide of Native Americans, their own ancestors and relatives?
But after accomplishing all of the said above, your answer is that it was a different faction of the government who conducted those activities? Cause you know, different ideologies and such, let's just let our people be killed by the government we founded.
Anonymous,
DeleteYou can’t even get your basic facts straight to compile a disrespectful, condescending and intentionally misleading comment. Nobody said the Templars/Cistercians came to North America before they were officially founded in 1128. Did their ideological ancestors travel to North America many centuries before that? Yes, but they went by different names. And yes, the Algonquian tribes and the Templar's shared a similar ideology with their "Blood Brothers," which is what they call them today, not me.
The Templar/Freemasonic principals embrace people of all race and religions, it is NOT just for "white people" and don't you dare try to creep in any racist innuendo. But then, you already know that and are being stupid on purpose.
Turn off the cartoons, pick up a book, do some basic research and then try again. OK?
Do you mean the Algonquin tribe of southern Quebec? Or do you mean tribes that spoke the Algonquian language? Two separate things.
DeleteCan you please cite or reference the claim "...Blood Brothers", which is what they call them today, not me.".
Also, I was not trying to creep in any racist innuendo. I was simply stating that the Constitution (which you state was founded by Templar/Native American descendants and based on Templar/Freemasonic principles), was not so embracing of people of all races (ie., slavery of African Americans, genocide of Native Americans).
Regards
Anonymous,
DeleteSee page 169 in my book, “Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers” for a listing of the Algonquin tribes I’m talking about.
“Blood Brother’s” is what I’ve heard multiple natives say in referring to the early Templar’s who stayed and assimilated. Most recently in 2014 during sweat lodge in Ontario.
I did not say the Constitution was founded by Native descendants; you did. Yes, many factions within our government then, and now, were not embracing of people of all races.
I don’t understand what you’re having difficulty with?
You sure you got dem longitude coordinates right there Doc?
DeleteBugs Bunny
Bugs,
DeleteI sure do you nasty wabbit!
Scott,
Delete"“Blood Brother’s” is what I’ve heard multiple natives say in referring to the early Templar’s who stayed and assimilated. Most recently in 2014 during sweat lodge in Ontario" - Scott
So you have absolutely no evidence to make your claim that Templars intermarried with Native Americans.
You have no sources, no ethnographic research to cite, no Traditional Land Use studies to reference, no "personal communication" from Elders to quote.
Your entire theory rests on "I've heard multiple natives say...".
Anonymous,
DeleteFirst, no, the entire theory doesn’t rest on what I and others have heard. Second, are you calling me and others liars?
All this will flesh out in due time, and when it does, will you come back here and admit that I was right? I didn't think so.
I've been friends with an Elder of a local tribe here in Massachusetts for 30+ years.
Delete(on a side note - it's hard to believe he's now at the age where he can be an Elder)
He has some family stories which could include earlier contact and trade with whites before Columbus was here.
The Mound,
DeleteIsn't is interesting how skeptics and debunkers accuse me of somehow being "racist" toward natives when I talk about pre-Columbian contact, but when native elders say the same things to people like you, crickets...
Can you say hypocrisy?
No one ever mentions the two bearded men at the bottom of the Mayan calendar wheel. I've often wondered if this represents Janus.
DeleteAnthony Warren
Jerry,
ReplyDeleteThe first scenario you laid out is pretty much the way it happened. I was originally looking at the relative position on a map of the Westford Knight to where the Boat Stone was discovered, and noticed that due north of the Boat Stone was the site of the Tyngsboro Map Stone.
From there, it dawned on me to looked at the longitude of the Newport Tower and suddenly had four medieval artifact site points on the same line. From there, I looked at anything else that could be Cistercian/Knights Templar and they ALL fell on the same line.
Yesterday I added the In Hoc Signo Vinces Stone after learning last week while visiting the stone at low tide with a group of people that "Ding" is also Old Celtic/English word for "fight" or "battle." That changed my opinion from it probably being carved in the 1800's to being carved much earlier. Possibly even circa 1400 based on the advanced weathering of the carving in a very tough greywacke.
The only other obvious medieval Templar site I can think of that's not on this line are the Spirit Pond Rune Stones at 69.83 W.
Hey Scott- love the work you are doing! Keep up the fight for truth.
ReplyDeleteHave you ever checked out the Dighton Rock? It's in Berkley Massachusetts. I think it may have been an early marker stone, but was also used later by the Portuguese.
I am a huge fan of the Viking Tower in Newport. There must be a site near there that would have some buried artifacts (ie a "dump"). It would be awesome to find it. Let me know when you want to go look!
Jay,
DeleteI’ve examined the Dighton Rock multiple times and I’m not convinced it has pre-Columbian European carvings. Most of what is on there is Native American carvings; likely marking this important fishing location as well as astronomical info. There could be some European carvings, but the sandstone boulder is too weathered to draw definitive conclusions unfortunately.
The Newport Tower was built by the Templars circa 1410. Since it was built as a chapel, and an observatory, I highly doubt there wil be a dump nearby as the Templar’s practiced extreme cleanliness.
Having said that, I'm confident archaeologist's would find important evidence related to construction if they removed the sidewalk and excavated there.
I guess the definition of "nearby" is relative. Where did the people that used the chapel/tower live? Somewhere on Aquidneck Island? Was there a village nearby? Down the hill to the West near the bay? Bowens Wharf? Many layers of human habitation and the urban landscape would make finding any evidence very difficult. I try to imagine what the area would have looked like in the early 1400s.
DeleteMaybe there would be foundations of shelters that are hidden by time. I am not convinced a village would be to the West. That area is very exposed to the North/West, but makes sense that is where any ships would be moored/anchored.
Jay,
DeleteThe problem with finding anything archaeologically related to the Tower is everywhere around Touro Park, which is very small, has been developed and built upon. Wherever their dwellings were has been destroyed archaeologically.
The other question is if the Templar's assimilated with the natives over multiple generations; what would archaeologists expect to find to tell them the people were European?
Hi Scott. Holand speculated that the Newport Tower is what you claim, that being a defensive church of sorts with entry at the 2nd story. It could not have been a windmill, because it has a fireplace and windmills would avoid fireplaces because of grain dust explosions. However, Holand did put the structure at being built around the time of Knutsen's supposed search party around the date of the Kensington Runestone.
ReplyDeleteThe Newport Tower is an obvious medieval structure, and American archaeologists are ignorant if they choose to consider it a colonial windmill. I agree with you that much more archaeological work needs to be conducted at the site. I wonder what the hold-up is?
I would like to delve into the Hooked X mystery a bit, if you don't mind. Some things are puzzling to me and need better answers.
We should know how old the runic character is, both in its use as a runic character and as a symbol. For instance, Henrik Wms in his April 4, 2014 article
http://files.webb.uu.se/uploader/267/Narragansett%20Stone%20Report%203.1%20Williams%202014.pdf
says the Hooked X character is modern, and gives this as the reason it won't work with a few of the other characters carved into the Narragansett Rock. I'm not sure what basis Wms is using to determine the age and use of the Hooked X, but I know you put it back all the way to Egypt. You recently provided examples of the Hooked X in Icelandic readings going back several hundred years, and there is the proof of an Anglo-saxon brooch bearing a Hooked X, from around AD 600 if my memory isn't failing me. So, how old does the Hooked X have to be to not be considered "modern"? And does this include both runic use and other possible symbolic use?
In this regard, I would also like to know when the two "old" runic characters representing Othala (or Othila) and Ansuz were last used in a reliable time-frame, to test Wms's conclusion that these two characters representing "O" and "A" represent "old" runes. I believe the Narragansett Rock is authentic, but how do these runes all fit together in a way that Wms is missing?
One idea to consider, one Wms did mention, is that the runes may constitute symbols with individual meanings (as possibly with the Hooked X, too). For examples, there are simple word definitions for the sequence of nine characters, as seen at google, rune images. So, perhaps the message can be ascertained by knowing what the individual runic messages say, and then taken as a whole.
It is apparent that runic characters stood for simple terms or definitions besides being used as runes in the traditional sense. Though Wms brought this possibility up, he seems to have discarded it in favor of pronouncing the Narragansett Rock a modern hoax...which is a shame, considering his other attempts at trashing America's legitimate medieval Scandinavian heritage, such as with the KRS.
Scott, do you consider the Hooked X as "old" or "new", in the sense that Wms is considering it? Or is the Hooked X both old and new? Thanks. - Gunn
For instance, what would be the earliest date the Hooked X might have been used as a Scandinavian rune, that you know of? Could Templars visiting Vinland have used it, say, a few hundred years before the time of the Kensington Runestone? Couldn't all of these nine characters on the Narragansett Rock have been in use at the same time back then? Like, maybe the Narragansett Stone was carved a few hundred years before the Spirit Pond stones, and well before the Newport Tower was built, too.
DeleteConversely, what are some of the latest examples of these other "old" runes that were used? I'm trying to help bridge the gap to show more precisely how all the runes on the Narragansett Stone can legitimately coexist at a point in history, in order to possibly clarify Henrik Williams's apparent misunderstanding about the rock's inscription being a hoax, which I don't think it is.
I fully believe the Hooked X is most likely connected to Templars and/or post-Templars, and I think it would be helpful to try to establish when it was first used as a runic character, by Templars or otherwise (other Christians?), aside from its more ancient symbolic use.
As you well know, Scandinavians were in Greenland and Vinland for hundreds of years, much of it during Crusader years, before the split-up. We should like to answer the question of how long Scandinavian Templars may have been using the Hooked X as a rune, before 1362 and 1400. Perhaps this mysterious character is older as a rune then some think.
By the way, Scott, I think the rock shelter I told you about a while back is a medieval sconce. It is apparently not American Indian, nor something l800's pioneers would be likely to make, either. The tip-off is the perfectly erected pyramid-shaped rock prominently featured on the north wall. This rock shelter was obviously designed as a defensive shelter, from which to observe without being observed. Its located several miles south of Glenwood, MN, about the same distance east from the Chippewa River as Runestone Park is. The ranch owner prefers privacy, but I believe he's interested in whether anything might be buried there.
Another place for something to possibly be buried is at Runestone Park, especially if Runestone Hill was encircled with stonehole rocks (sacred geometric design) before the KRS was placed there...which I believe is possible, or even likely.
And of course, another place for either Templar or post-Templar items to be purposely hidden underground is at the Norse Code-stone site near Appleton, MN. It might be something from the Templars, hidden even before their split-up from the Catholic Church. Something exciting to speculate about!
I added some photos of the probable medieval Templar sconce to a page on my meager website, if you want to see something Templars or post-Templars most likely created back around the same time-frame as they created the Runestone Park site. Happy Trails. - Gunn
http://hallmarkemporium.com/kensingtonrunestone/id37.html
Gunn,
DeleteThe earliest known use of the Hooked X, after the First Century Hooked X/Tau Cross symbol carved on the Jesus ossuary in the Talpiot tomb, is on the Zena Halpern’s Templar Map dated 1179. I talked all about those Hooked X’s in my “Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers” book.
Henrik Williams has no interest in the truth about the Hooked X or the North American Rune Stones that contain them. His interest, along with his agent Loraine Jensen, are simply interested in trying to control the discussion to the point they will commit academic fraud in the case of the Kensington Rune Stone.
he is a lost cause when it comes to seeking the truth; just ask Steve DiMarzo who has tried for months for Williams and Jensen to respond to his discoveries that prove they are dead wrong about statements they've made about the Hooked X and other runes.
They are not to be taken seriously until they undo the fraudulent acts they have committed and take responsibility for their actions.
Thanks, Scott. I couldn't help noticing that there was plenty of space on the Narragansett Rock for the carver to have put the last two runes on the same line above, yet he chose to put them by themselves on a separate line.
DeleteTo me this indicates the possibility of a date, and I wonder if the Hooked X might be standing for a Roman numeral for ten. Do you know of any examples where a Hooked X was used as a ten? The other rune to the right of the Hooked X almost looks like it could be a runic character for two. So, by mere speculation, added together, these last two runes might be saying 1200.
This would certainly put the Hooked X very close to the supposed Halpern Templar map date of 1179, and it would coincide nicely with an "older" use of the rune than on the Kensington Runestone.
Then, the other seven runes in the first line could be telling a message in rune symbols rather than in runic characters. One can see how seven simple words or phrases can be put together in one overall message. Perhaps some readers here would like to try this. Anyone can go to google and images for runes to see that key words or ideas were attached to individual runes. Perhaps I will work on this myself and report back on what a conversion message will say. (This can be factual and not merely speculative.) I hope this might help. -Gunn
Thanks again for this space to speculate about the possible message on the Narragansett Rock. It seems that Wms may be wrong about the inscription not having a readily readable message, though.
DeleteI researched a bit and just found out for myself that a lady named Suzanne Carlson had translated the message to say the word "skraumigr," which Valdimar Samuelsonn said was the name of a river in Iceland. The word apparently means "screaming river."
This makes better sense than what I had come up with before finding out about Suzanne's and Valdimar's conclusions. I had come up with Shrozli, or Shruxli, and that's with the last two characters left off for a possible date. Will all nine runes, it would have been Shrozliga, or Shruzliga, or Shruxliga, or Shruzliga, or a further mix-match of these. I will gladly go along with Ms. Carlson's "Skraumigr."
However, that doesn't explain much, so I thought I'd give the message another try, both with and without the last two runes, which I speculate may be the date of 1200, if the Hooked X might be utilized as a 10 and the last character a runic 2.
So, I looked at many different versions of what individual runes might mean to the ordinary Norse traveler of the time, and I came up with an alternative interpretation, which could be close. In researching, it seems that quite a few "Long Branch (Danish) runes" were used in the inscription, perhaps more than half. Also, I think the mark before the first rune might be an unintended spalling from the carver trying to make a dot to represent the beginning of the message, as done at the end. - Gunn
So, here it what I think the message may intend to say in a long-winded way...or maybe not:
We are a group with success in mind, to win. However, we did already suffer loss in this journey, which is our destiny. We hope our legacy here will be the prosperity of this land, though we are now separated from our own homeland. Here, we have found friendship and protection from spiritually-minded people. But, at this sea area, we are waiting at a standstill, our patience being challenged as we reflect on our situation. 1200. (Or, without the date, we continue on with: We hope to turn this gift of friendship and a place to land into a partnership of love and generosity, as we share our insights, truth and wisdom with our new friends and partners.
Scott,
ReplyDelete1. Newport Tower (71.19 W)
Could Newport Tower be a Templar Land claim Marker?
Possibility of Newport Tower being a Land Claim for the Watershed of the Connecticut River.
261 miles North of the Newport Tower is the source of the Connecticut River, Indian Stream, New Hampshire at Latitude/Longitude of
N45° 15.879' W71° 18.223'
(see image) northeast corner (jpeg 1.7 mb) --at this link -
http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/IndianStream.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Indian_Stream
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Pasadena,
DeleteYes, I think the Newport Tower absolutely was part of the establishment of a colony by the Templar's. It was essentially a land claim.
Scott,
DeleteLand Claim-This works for the Spirit Pond Stone also- was the SPS a land claim for the Kennebec River watershed?
149 miles North of the Spirit Pond Stone to
N43.74814° W69.80837°
Source of the Kennebec River near-
North Branch of Carry Brook, Somerset County, Maine at
N45.896° W69.785°
North Branch of Carry Brook flows into Moosehead Lake
http://moosehead.lakesonline.com/POI/Streams/North-Branch-Carry-Brook/471582
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennebec_River
The ancient Nordic people and later New World Europeans had a way of taking claim to land.
They would place a stone maker or later years New World Europeans placed a lead plate at a mouth of a river thus claiming “and of all the lands on both sides as far as the sources of the said rivers” and all lands on both sides to the source of aforesaid streams.
— CÉLORON,
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Pasadena, you hit the nail on the head as far as what I believe has occurred with the "Norse Code-stone" I found last year. As you indicated, the discharge of a river might be marked "in stone" as a way of claiming all the land in its watershed.
DeleteIn the case of the code-stone, it is marking the discharge of the Pomme de Terre River, which reaches farthest north into the Minnesota River watershed. But, is this to claim the land within the watershed of only the Pomme de Terre River, or would this also entail claiming the larger river downstream, and if so, how far? For instance, this river reaching the farthest north into the Minnesota River watershed eventually empties into the Mississippi River.
Pasadena (and Scott, too), what do you suppose a medieval entity with the power to attempt a large land claim would bury there on the ridge site near the discharge of the Pomme de Terre River, where I contend purposeful encoding of stonehole rocks took place?
My deep-penetrating ferrous-only metal detector agrees that something made of iron or steel is buried in an exact spot within the encoded stonehole rocks. Time will tell what is buried there.
The State Archaeologist of Minnesota will assist me in obtaining professional help by licensing a qualified archaeologist to perform a dig, but of course any such dig would need to be funded. - Gunn
PS: Just google "Norse Code-stone" to see what it is about, in more detail.
As an addendum to my post above, I'd like to show you a couple pictures of Stone Seats along this same longitude.
ReplyDeleteOne is a few miles north of America's Stonehenge.
The other is part of the unnamed site at 71.26 W.
I'm unable to add photos here, but you can find a photo of the one near America's Stonehenge at this link:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011346304;view=1up;seq=391
I can send you photos of the other nearly identical stone seat at the unnamed site at 71.26 W, if you can post an email address or some other way of getting photos to you.
Thanks,
Harry Woods
swolter@amengtest.com
DeleteScott,
ReplyDeleteSymbolically speaking, is/could the Newport Tower be part of Rosslyn Chapel???
When you first mentioned Sir Humphrey Dennison(Freya in first name and Isis in his last), you gave a date of 1395. In more recent posts 1410 is given. In regards to Rosslyn chapel, I've come across dates ranging from 1396 to 1446. I have to admit to being partial to the Knight/Lomas date of 1440, due to the sacred number connection. God did his work in 6 days or 144 hours, and rested for one day, or 1440 seconds. Either way, there's a 14 year period where these date ranges overlap. 1396-1410.
Nearly every source on Rosslyn Chapel mentions the ruined western wall and how Rosslyn is a copy of the Temple of Jerusalem. The intentionally ruined looking wall is said to represent part of the church which was destroyed and lay in ruins. In a source I don't currently recall, it stated in regards to Solomon's Temple and the ruined western wall, "Rosslyn is missing its MAGDALA". A magdala is an eight-sided watch tower. What IF, the tower isn't missing?
What IF, the tower was symbolically rebuilt from the ruins far to the west? A symbolic rebirth.
There are a few more points I could make in favor of this theory, however, I don't recall the sources, and feel I've given the jist.
What do you think?
Anthony Warren
Scott,
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned 10 important locations along the Longitude of Newport Tower/Narragansett Rune Stone. Maybe Newport Tower was placed where it is not only for the important spots along the Longitudinal but also along the Latitudinal.
Latitude/Longitude of Newport Tower is-
hddd.ddd° (heading decimal degrees°) N41.48578° W71.30992°
hddd° mm.mmm' (heading degrees°, decimal minutes') N41° 29.147' W71° 18.595'
hddd° mm' ss.ss" (heading degrees°,minutes',seconds") N41° 29' 08.8" W71° 18' 35.7" rounded off to W71° 19'
sddd° mm.mmm' (signed degrees° [+or-], decimal minutes') 41° 29.147' -71° 18.595'
sddd° mm' ss.s" (signed degrees° [+or-], minutes', seconds") 41° 29' 08.8" -71° 18' 35.7"
One very important spot along the Latitude of Newport Tower/ Narragansett Rune Stone is N41° 30' 29.0" W78° 13' 12.9" (D°M'S") the ancient Sinnemahoning Path. Allegheny Portage and Canoe Place. Both are on the ancient Sinnemahoning Path route over the Allegheny Mountains or Atlantic-Gulf Divide. The Sinnemahoning Path was very important route from New England over the divide into the Ohio River system then onto the greater Midwest/Gulf/West via; Ohio, Mississippi and Missouri Rivers.
Was the Newport Tower/The Narragansett Rune Stone an ancient signpost/map for travelers going North to the St. Lawrence River(Old Quebec and onto greater Canada via Ottawa River) and West to the interior of the continent over the divide?
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=83705
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=65622
http://www.hmdb.org/Marker.asp?Marker=65623
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Pasadena P@,
DeleteNo.
Why would Europeans sail down the coast past the St. Lawrence River, see the Newport Tower, then sail back up again?
I see you said people traveling North, why would travelers heading north need a signpost? They would simply sail north into the St. Lawrence River and on to Quebec City?
Also you said Ancient, there is no evidence whatsoever that it is ancient, Quebec City was established well before the "Tower".
Regards
Scott, Anonymous/Regar{d}s,
DeleteLongitude/Latitude and Newport Tower being a marker?
There have been many ancient and more modern Signposts/Markers/Lead Plates/Survey markers placed in strategic places.
A modern example -is the Saint Louis Arch-"Gateway to the West."
The residents of St.Louis don't sail thru the Panama Canal then up the Pacific Coast to get to Seattle, WA.
An ancient example- is the Waubansee Stone in Chicago, IL at the ancient waterway from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi River/Gulf.
Another ancient example is- the Laval Stone Circle at the mouth of the Ottawa River(at St Lawrence River)- the route to the Great Lakes via the Ottawa River to French River to Lake Ontario. Was this a Templar site also?
https://lavalhallalujah.wordpress.com/7460-boul-des-mille-iles-laval-quebec/
Another ancient example is the KRS.
(see S/W blog) Oak Island 1179 Map
December 5, 2016 at 3:32 PM
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Pasadena P@,
Deleteyou realize your Laval Stone Circle is a manure pit right?
Anonymous,
DeleteLaval Stone Circle
In case of a flood -The very "Green Conscience" Canadian Government would not allow a manure pit (on an river island) to be only 500 feet or some 166 meters from the very non- polluted Ottawa River. You just made that up didn't you?
p@
Nope, I did not make it up.
DeleteZoom into the location on Google Earth, it's clearly a Nuhn Manure tank either loading or unloading manure into the pit.
Also, yes the Quebec Government would allow it. Manure storage facilities are only required to be 15 m or more from a watercourse. Please see Chapter 3, Division I, Section 6 of the Quebec Agricultural Operations Regulation,
Environment Quality Act:
http://legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cr/Q-2,%20r.%2026
I'll quote it for you here in case you don't want to look it up:
"CHAPTER III
LAYOUT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR RAISING AND STORAGE FACILITIES, SPREADING AND TREATMENT OF LIVESTOCK WASTE
DIVISION I
LOCATION STANDARDS
6. It is prohibited to erect, lay out or expand a raising or storage facility in a watercourse, lake, swamp, natural marsh or pond and the 15 m area on each side or around those areas, measured from the high-water mark, if any.
The first paragraph applies to sections of watercourses whose total flow area (average width multiplied by average height) is greater than 2 m2.
This section does not apply to bodies of water reserved for firefighting or crop irrigation."
DIVISION I
DeleteLOCATION STANDARDS
6. It is prohibited to erect, lay out or expand a raising or storage facility in a watercourse, lake, swamp, natural marsh or pond and the 15 m area on each side or around those areas, measured from the high-water mark, if any.
The measured high water-mark? of the open pit/storage facility flooded underwater? the site is on the Ottawa River Delta/St. Lawrence River- river deltas have a tendency to flood?New Orleans, LA
End of subject-If you have questions/problems with the Laval website contact the owner of the website at-
https://lavalhallalujah.wordpress.com/about/
Longitude/Latitude
Another ancient example with the KRS being a land mark.
(see S/W blog) Oak Island 1179 Map
December 5, 2016 at 3:32 PM to Scott/Gunn
Pass over the Divides
Gibbon's Pass is on the Latitude the KRS. The pass over the Gulf of Mexico/Pacific Divide.
Lewis and Clark -July 6, 1806 – Clark's return-group crosses the Continental Divide at Gibbons Pass. on way back after split-up with Cpt.Lewis.
also the source of the Missouri River is near the same Latitude as the KRS.
Three Forks of the Missouri
Missouri Headwaters State Park is a Montana state park that marks the official start of the Missouri River. (great location to be included in
a land claim)
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Not end of subject,
DeleteAccording to Quebec's Environment Quality Act
http://legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cr/Q-2,%20r.%2035
the high-water mark is defined as:
For the purposes of this Policy, high-water mark refers to the line which marks the limit of the littoral zone and the shoreline or riverbank.
The high-water mark corresponds to the natural high-water mark, namely:
(a) the point where predominantly terrestrial plants succeed predominantly aquatic plants, or
where there are no aquatic plants, the point closest to the water where terrestrial plants no longer grow.
Regardless, that property does not fall within the 20 year or 100 year flood zones as outlined by the City of Laval's Flood Risk Maps (see Map 29):
https://www.laval.ca/Pages/Fr/Citoyens/zones-inondables.aspx
I will also paste the link to Map 29:
https://www.laval.ca/Documents/Pages/Fr/Citoyens/urbanisme-et-zonage/carte-risque-inondable-1995/risque-inondation-1995-29.pdf
As you will clearly see, the manure pit is labeled as "Empilement", french for stacking or piling.
Please use 3D buildings in Google Earth and check it out again, you can practically walk around the embankment, it is not made out of stone, it's a manure pit, if not manure then some other type of storage pit, and yes it is legally allowed.
Please do not refer to the manure pit as the Laval Stone Circle anymore, or it being related to the Templars or ancient, it is not. I will also contact the owner of the site.
Regards,
Scott,
Deletewhy did you erase my rebuttal?
Anonymous,
DeleteI don't recall erasing it? If I did it was accidental; please send again and I'll post it.
Scott,
Deleteapologies it was not erased, just not posted yet.
Anonymous,
DeleteIt's all good.
I believe this longitude has drawn people for hundreds of years, pre-colonial and post-colonial.
ReplyDeleteAnd it continues to draw people, including the Transcendentalists of the early 19th century.
How about the Nomans land Island stone? Does this fall in line as well? Any correlation to any of the other stones?
ReplyDeleteThanks Kris
Kris,
DeleteThe longitude of the east side of Noman’s land Island is 70.49 west. Close, but I’d have to say no.
Thanks, keep up the great work!! Looking forward to what's next. I live in the Tyngsboro, Westford area and love this stuff.
DeleteKris
Kris,
DeleteYou live in an historically interesting area for sure. Stay tuned!
Scott,
ReplyDeleteYour findings are very interesting but I'm not surprised either. I don't think enough credit is given to ancient civilizations as far as their intelligence. Looking at ancient structures around the world and their astrological alignments leave many scratching their heads. How could ancient "savages" have aligned their structures so perfectly without the use of modern technology? I thought they were supposed to be dumb. (sarcasm) Why would they build structures that can only be seen in full from the sky?
Based on a popular theory, aren't we who came from cavemen supposed to be getting smarter? However, when you look at the intelligence of ancient civilizations it makes us look like we are getting dumber. The Mayans mathematics is fascinating along with the astronomical orientation of their cities. Who taught them this information?
In my opinion, it appears that a knowledge of mathematics, astronomy, and engineering has been passed down to certain groups throughout history. I believe that the Templars were one of those groups which now we call the Freemasons.
I have my own theories that I'm researching as to when they received this knowledge and who gave it to them.
Keep up the great work.
P.S. Have you read any of Graham Hancock's research. He has some interesting information on archaeoastronomy.
Stephen,
Deletepeople involved in the historical and archaeological fields have not considered ancient people "savages" or dumb for a really long time now.
You say "I don't think enough credit is given to ancient civilizations as far as their intelligence.". In the very next paragraph you ask who taught them this information?
You contradicted and answered your own questions within the same post.
Anonymous,
DeleteI think Stephen's comment was meant to be a rhetorical statement, not contradictory. Personally, I think there was a world wide exchange of knowledge and information prior to the Younger-Dryas period that experienced a massive reduction in the high culture of humans that existed beforehand. I know Graham Hancock personally, and recently discussed his latest book with he and Robert Schoch. Robert has a different theory about what caused the massive population reduction around the planet, but the two are friends and it was refreshing to see two intelligent individuals with competing ideas present their ideas without attacking the other. this is how it's supposed to be.
I've also heard that indigenous people meeting regularly for thousands of years on a different continent each time there was a world council meeting. I asked one of these elder (they still hold meetings to this day) how they got to the meetings in ancient times and he said, "By boat."
I can hear the debunkers now...
I've also heard that Lake Superior agates were distributed by a meteor strike and not by glaciation.
DeleteAnonymous,
DeleteWas there a point to this statement?
The point is that anyone can make grandiose claims without facts or evidence.
DeleteAnonymous,
DeleteWhat you consider grandiose, I consider obvious. It's simply a matter of perspective and knowledge. Because you have seen no written documentation, does the fact the evidence is oral tradition mean it isn't true?
Never played "telephone", eh?
DeleteWhat you just said is incredibly disrespectful to indigenous people. If you had any idea how oral tradition in their culture worked you’d realize how stupid what you just said is. But then, it’s easy to throw insults while remaining anonymous. There is no accountability is there smart mouth?
DeleteScott,
DeleteThe thing that puzzles me about this theory about a pre historical advanced civilization, the "atlanteans", is that what is the evidence that they existed or were super intelligent? You have implied that we today are less intelligent than they were, but we have super advanced technology and we are continuing to make advancements. I highly doubt these "Atlanteans" could have been more advanced than we are today. I also remember you saying that the evidence for this atlantean civilization was ancient structures like the Egypt and Mayan pyramids and some of the megalithic structures. But couldn't those have just been built by the ancient civilizations they were supposed to have been built by, therefore we should give say, the Egyptians and Mayans, credit for being really intelligent civilizations? I don't really have an opinion on whether or not this pre historical high civilization existed, but I just want to see your answer to these points.
Jafar
Like indigenous people appreciate your diffusionistic make believe.
DeleteAnonymous,
DeleteWow... Talk about the quintessential example of a close-minded academic attitude. This is exactly why we have the problems we do.
If anyone thought I was exaggerating about the harmful attitude so pervasive in many academics, I thank you for removing all doubt.
Jafar,
DeleteI never said the high culture that existed prior to the catastrophic extraterrestrial impact and/or massive solar radiation flares that killed much of them off were more intelligent than us. I said they understood how to live in balance better than us.
I do not prescribe to the "Atlantis" theory of an advanced civilization that lived on a now submerged city in the Atlantic. I think there were more advanced cultures around the world as opposed to the knuckle-dragging, hunter-gatherer "Clovis" people that archaeologist say existed 10,000-plus years ago. I think they were more advanced intellectually than we give them credit for. The pyramids found around the world, along with many other megalithic structures, are evidence of that IMHO.
You've been saying stay tuned for a while now, any chance of you telling us when these new discoveries will be released?
ReplyDeleteZitter63,
DeleteRealistically it'll be this summer if not before.
I know you can't disclose what the discoveries are how about rating it on the timeless 1-10 scale. 1 being a rusted penny from 1947 and 10 being Jesus' stone tablet porn stash.
ReplyDeleteZitter63,
Delete8-9
Why couldn't you say 4 so I could sleep at night...... damn you Scott!
ReplyDeleteWhen you state the longitude of the Newport Tower at 71.19 degrees, don't you really mean 71 degrees, 19 minutes? And then there are some odd seconds added to that you didn't include. Right? In proper decimal form it would be about 71.30979719 degrees Your comparisons above would come out very differently with this correction applied throughout as they all appear in error.
ReplyDeleteYou do understand the difference in notating longitude in degree/percentage form as opposed to degree/minute/second form? Or is the type of notation you used particular to Templars?
Anonymous,
DeleteYes, it is 71 degrees, 19 minutes and some odd seconds. However, we are comparing apples to apples with the numbers I cited. Using proper decimal form would not result in my relative comparisons coming out differently; I don't understand why you would say that? The site locations don’t move regardless if the type of notation is different.
Of course I understand that difference, but for the point I’m making it doesn’t matter. Plot them on Google Earth, or on any plan map, and you’ll see they all fall very closely to a common meridian that I claim isn't a coincidence and suggests the medieval Templars understood how to calculate longitude with reasonable accuracy. Incidentally, in as yet unpublished source material I have seen, the decimal notation for latitude is what was used.
You realize sites that "all fall very closely to a common meridian" doesn't mean someone can calculate longitude.
DeleteIn other words you don't need to know longitude to put things on a north - south line.
I realize it doesn't definitely prove it. However, it's compelling evidence that is consistent that they understood longitude which they probably did.
DeleteWhy don't you correct your errors then?
ReplyDeleteBecause there are no errors to correct.
DeleteYou took coordinates in one format (minutes) and repeated them in another format (decimals) without reworking the numbers which most certainly is error. The coordinates listed above are flat out wrong. That you won't correct them says more about your deficiencies than those of your critics.
DeleteS. Simon
S. Simon,
DeleteI reported the longitudinal coordinates in decimal form the same way for ALL locations. Therefore, they are 100% accurate and consistent relative to each other. Decimal or minutes format doesn't matter in this situation. There is nothing to correct, if I had made a mistake I would be happy to acknowledge and correct it.
Don’t overthink it.
You did acknowledge the mistake, but now you are denying it. Is it overthinking to point out an error that no professional man of science would commit to written form? As pointed out to you by anonymous above, in decimal form the Newport Tower stands at a longitude of 71.30979719 degrees, not 71.19 degrees. He or she is correct. All your other coordinates are wrong as well based on your error which makes them appear closer to the mark than the correct coordinates would show in decimal format. They are 100% inaccurate and the mistake is now obvious to even those like you that are unfamiliar with longitude.
DeleteS. Simon
S. Simon,
DeleteI acknowledged that I used a different notation; I did not acknowledge a mistake because they wasn’t a mistake. You refuse to acknowledge the type of notation doesn’t matter as long as they are consistent.
The horse is dead Simon, please get off it.
Jesus guys...... we are trying to have an educated and civilized discussion/debate about historical happenings. He's doing his best to show the evidence he has collected, quit crawling up his ass over stupid details. If you disagree simply say you disagree and provide a couple reasons/facts, if you want to throw tomatoes at him I suggest doing it by proving him wrong, since you can't, maybe we could move along?
ReplyDeleteZitter63,
DeleteThis is what they do, they challenge everything you say, but never once do they acknowledge a legitimate point made. They ignore them like they don't exist and then call me bias. It's a dishonest approach, but they claim it is me who's being dishonest. Circular argumentation without ever acknowledging anything because it's gives me and my supporters legitimacy.
For me, it's starts by identifying who you are. He/she can't even do that. Second, they can't recite facts because they have none. If they did I would acknowledge them. Saying these ten points are a coincidence, or they "zig zag" and are not really a straight line is nonsense, but that's what they do.
Besides, let him throw tomatoes. I love sliced tomatoes and will take every good one I can get!
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ReplyDeleteScott,
ReplyDeletePossible Longitude of Newport Tower using Temple Church London, England as the Prime Meridian.
built by the Knights Templar as their English headquarters.
The Temple Church also called "the Round," (as is NPT) was consecrated on February 10, 1185 in a ceremony conducted by Heraclius, the Crusader Patriarch of Jerusalem. It was designed to recall the holiest place in the Crusaders’ world: the circular Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. The Temple Church also served as an early Templar safety-deposit bank.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/england/london-temple-church
The Longitude/Latitude of Temple Church is-
N51° 30′ 47.52″ W0° 6′ 37.44″ (hddd° mm’ ss.ss”) -
N51° 28' 39.1" W0° 00' 00.0" (current prime meridian)
difference is + 6′ 37.44″
The Longitude/Latitude of Newport Tower is-
=N41° 29' 08.8" W71° 18' 35.9" (hddd° mm’ ss.ss”) one can round off to-
W71° 19
W71° 18’ 36” plus 6’ 38’ = W71° 25’ 14.0”
N41° 29' 08.8" W71° 25’ 14” is 5.74 miles West of Newport Tower or 5.38 miles from location 71° 19
Using the not so accurate Lunar Eclipse method for determining Longitude 5.74/5.38 miles is close enough.
http://astroguyz.com/2008/02/14/detrimine-your-longitude-the-lunar-eclipse-method-part-i/
p@
I find it interesting that the criticisms are about the use of different lat/long notation.
ReplyDeleteIf the author is consistent in using one type of notation between these 10 sites, then the biggest point of contention here - the type of lat/long notation used - is completely irrelevant.
What about attempting to look at the links between these ancient sites?
There are strong connections between these 10 sites, and another 1/2 dozen sites which also fall on this line.
There is something here. No question.
The Mound/Pasadena,
DeleteThe mentality that refuses to accept the obvious reminds me of what a lawyer friend told about lawyers rules of legal debate. In this case substitute the 'Anonymous' academic debunker dogma for "law."
"If the facts aren't on your side, then argue the law. If the law isn't on your side, then argue the facts. If neither one is on your side, then just argue."
Mound, it would be delightful to look at the links between the ancient sites, but if you used the longitude points above, you wouldn't find them. Because this is not simply an issue of choosing which form of notation to use. It is an issue of taking the number from one form of notation and restating that same number in another form without recalculating what that new number should be. It is also not the only thing wrong with the conclusions as stated, but let's take it one step at a time. The data is in need of correction. Then bold speculation can continue and reason scoffed.
DeleteS. Simon
S. Simon,
DeleteIf you used the longitude numbers above as I have explained them, rounded to two significant digits on Google Earth, you will find all them. Fact.
Enough already.
Simple Simon,
DeleteYou must have grown tired of trolling Yahoo. Did they take away your Anarchy avatar?
Simple,
DeleteMy hand is on the handle about to flush; are you done?
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DeleteTen days of arrow slinging on the convention you used for the longitude coordinates – even after you shared that you posted the coordinates using the same convention that were written on map(s) that you had. Granted, the convention did not match the accepted modern day Wikipedia convention for expressing longitude, but even Wikipedia falls short by not remarking on the DDD;MM convention that we find in modern day literature by authors David King, Julio Samso, and a slew of other astronomy-types.
ReplyDeleteThe obvious question that detractors have failed to ask is whether the DDD.MM convention that you used actually supports a more ancient historical usage, one not used in the modern era (19th & 20th century) and not well known, but a convention suitable for an era further in the past.
For example, the 1609 published work Commentarius in Sphaeram Procli Diadochi cui adiunctus est computus ecclesiasticus, cum calendario triplici, & prognostico tempestatum ex ortu & occasu stellarum by Georgii Henischi (https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_4o57XuhUbvkC) used a convention that is entirely different than what we find today:
*Page 169 -- 43°.24’.49.0”
*Page 169 – 33. 0. 54.48’.
*Page 144 -- 48°.9’
*Page 136 – 15.m.56. (longitude; minutes & seconds)
*Page 114 – 66°.29.”
*Page 80 – 96 gr. 44 scr. (96 degrees 44 minutes)
This 435 page book has numerous examples of many conventions of expression of longitude and latitude coordinates and, in some cases, typesetting errors. That being said, the predominant common element is the period between the degree(s) and minute(s) unit – the same convention that you used in being consistent with what was on the maps.
So this begs the question – On the maps that you sourced, did the longitude notation include a degree and minute symbol, as well? If not, then it would suggest that they used an even more abbreviated convention – a short-hand style. This would be entirely plausible since the originator of the map would know that the measurements were only taken in terms of DDD.MM, or the original values were hours and minutes, which when converted would translate only to DDD:MM.
Bottom line, the longitude convention could suggest a map origination well outside the modern era.
Pat,
DeleteAll I did was use an abbreviated form of degrees and minutes taken right off Google Earth. I put the curser on the spot for each location and recorded the value the same way each time; done.
Apparent longitudinal consistency being used by the Templars is the central point to the blog post. Simon is being a putz trying to deflect from this question trying argue for the sake of arguing.
Let's stay on task and try to learn from people like Pat and Pasadena who are putting in a sincere effort to try and figure out is the Templar's, and other pre-Columbian cultures like the Muslims, understood how to determine longitude with reasonable accuracy.
Scott,
Deletewell if you read above, Pasadena believes a manure pit is an ancient stone Viking fortress, so I don't think he or she is helping your case any.
Anonymous,
DeleteWhat Pasadena believes about a particular doesn't impact the point of the blog post one iota.
Scott,
Deleteyou said "Let's stay on task and try to learn from people like Pat and Pasadena...".
I, for one, would not want to try and learn from someone who makes claims about ancient viking/templar sites without doing due diligence, and a quick google zoom to understand what it was they were claiming.
So yes, based on what you said, and Pasadena's claims, it does impact the blog post.
Regards
All,
DeleteI loaded a snapshot of the points on the longitudinal line and if you don't think this is interesting then fine. I don't think this many points is a coincidence; period.
Well, most of those points are not "on the line", they are in some instances many miles east or west of it.
DeleteThe fact that you "...don't think this many points is a coincidence; period" is fine. But because you don't think it's a coincidence doesn't make it so. Nor does it provide evidence of Templar's calculating longitude.
Anonymous,
DeleteYou can deny the obvious as that is your right. I understand it doesn't prove the point, but it is evidence consistent with a knowledge of latitude and seriously begs the question which was my whole point.
Thank you for acknowledging it.
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ReplyDeletePretty sure I did it right but I got the Newport harbor
ReplyDeleteZitter63,
DeleteNot sure what you're referring to? If you were looking for the In Hoc Signo Vinces Stone it is on the shoreline of Newport.
Hello Scott,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your hard work and diligence in challenging "accepted" norms. While I do have a great respect for Academia and the various fields of endeavor working to enlighten the human experience, I have been frustrated by the unwillingness of many, in various fields, to acknowledge new or existing information that does not conform to "accepted" peer reviewed publications.
It has been particularly satisfying to see the "Clovis Crowd"
intellectual arrogance come crashing to earth under a mountain of new evidence.
Which leads to a few questions: Regarding the Kensington runestone:
Scott has there been any serious excavations or investigation on the Ohman farm to uncover relics from a Viking encampment? Seems like there would be a serious effort to look? Perhaps it has and I am not aware.
I recently read Charles Mann's 1491 and 1493 - He suggests there was active trading between the Norse and Indigenous North American populations enamored with Iron/Steel. He suggests the locals were traveling as far as the Canadian NW to Viking camps in the east to trade for the precious commodity. Hopefully sites will be discovered throwing more light on this trade situation.
I appreciate the efforts of all persons, professionals, hobbyists
or whomever that is interested in piecing together the intricate story of humanity on the pale blue dot.
Jeff,
DeleteFirst, there were excavations done at the Ohman Farm in the early 1970's by Christina Harrison. However, the trenches she and her team dug were not at the spot where the KRS was discovered.
Second, since the Templar's who carved and buried the stone were traveling, and most likely, living with the indigenous people, I don't know what archaeologists would expect to find that would tell them Europeans had camped there.
Third, I don't believe we should automatically assume that anyone lived at the same site where the artifact was discovered. It could easily have sat in isolation with the people who created living many miles away.
Mr. Wolter. Yes or no answer please. Do you know how to operate Google Earth and did you do these calculations yourself or did someone else do them for you? None of your decimal coordinates match the latitude of any of these sites I have checked in any form of notation. The locations are just plain wrong when measured on google earth. Most of your sites are six to ten miles west of a meridian plotted from the Newport Tower and then none of them align from north to south anywhere near accurately. Why if the N Narragansett stone is at 310 deg. TN from the Newport Tower would this be included in a n-s alignment using the tower as a datum? The great cathedrals of Europe were getting old by this time and your Templars could not even plot a straight line on the globe? How and why would they place something in a line of sight from the Newport Tower at this angle and consider it "north" of the tower? The time
ReplyDeleteframe you suggest for the tower and KRS is long past the advent of the magnetic compass and you even point to the "Cumberlandite" magnetic stone at the tower etc. Is there anyway you could post a google earth image showing your finds so we can all see what you are talking about? Thank you.
Anonymous,
DeleteYes, I know how to use Google Earth. I didn't do any calculations I just used the first four numbers of the longitude (degree, minutes); that's all. It was a quick and dirty look and as you can see from the photo I just posted all 10 locations are remarkably close to the 71 degree, 20 minute longitude. Nothing more, nothing less.
Look at the photo and tell me that's a coincidence.
"Quick and dirty" is a perfect description for your methodology as demonstrated in this and other endeavors.
DeleteYou do realize there is a clear trail of evidence linking the faking of many similar sites to a group of Boston elites don't you? How come you never discuss this in relation to your theories? You only discuss information that supports your theory. There are even very famous Americans of the nineteenth century who point to how these things were faked in an attempt to degrade Spain's claims to New England. I just read a blog post that entirely call into question everything you are saying with historical documentation. You don't seem to consider the fact that you may be wrong. There is also a great deal of information that suggests the KRS was placed at the upper end of your timeline for that artifact as well. There is a large historical and political rationale for why all of these things were faked but you ignore this entirely in an attempt to maintain the popularity you gained from having a TV show that also promoted many bogus artifacts. It is clear that several secret societies arranged inscriptions and artifacts that appear much older intentionally. You ignore these things and never discuss why you may be wrong (and you are). Thank you. Ted
DeleteTed,
DeleteYour claims are more than a little vague; who are these “Boston elites” you claim created which fake artifacts and sites? Are you suggesting they created the Newport Tower that is documented to have been in ruins in the mid-1600’s? I don’t think there were many, if any Boston elites around at that time. If so, for what purpose did they create the Tower?
Are you also suggesting the peer-reviewed geological weathering work myself and Newton Winchell performed on the KRS is bogus? If so, tell me why. Are you also saying the Dotted R was somehow known to the “elites” in Boston, yet unknown to Scandinavian scholars in Europe? What other artifacts that I have studied are what you think the work of modern “secret societies” trying to fool who for what reason?
You sound like someone who simply doesn’t like me, my show, or what I do. That is your right of course, but these bold, and frankly silly, claims don’t meet the bar as evidence. Please give us some facts to support your assertions.
BTW, I will not be directing readers to other people's blog sites to discuss this. You brought up here so please bring your facts here. Thank you.
The Boston Brahmins included members of the Bacon family and the cream of Boston Society. Horsford who faked the Norumbega Tower during the mid nineteenth century was making the exact same claims you are and was a "member." So were many other famous well known people who have described this in their writing. This includes on the the designers of the Washington Monument. In addition there is clear evidence the French also used the name Norumbega long before. This has proven to be a Native American name and has nothing to do with the Norse coming to America.
DeleteI absolutely never said the Tower was built by the Boston Brahmins. You did.
The Tower seems to have been created by Benedict Arnold the same person history tells us built it. Your own words state a plus or minus three hundred year range for your method of dating the KRS. I noted you said this in one of your videos. 1662 is very near the projected actual construction date of the Newport Tower by Arnold. This is also very near the date of the establishment of the Hudson's Bay Company of which the location of the KRS marks the margins of both Rupert's Land and French Louisiana. The establishment of the border of Louisiana was also established near this time. Neither one of those entities would have marked their borders with stones would they? Yes there are records of them doing exactly that.
In reality this is all related to the family of the French Count of Norumbega of which a later family member was the governor of French Louisiana. Another member of this family was governor of French Acadia at the time this entire scheme was taking place. This same family has a member who was strongly associated with a specific "runestone" in Ireland as well. Yes there are runes all over Europe I'm sure you know that don't you Scott?
The entire scam involves a war between Catholic and other interests of the Republic who did not want them to gain a foothold in the American psyche. In reality the Newport Tower has always been promoted as a "Viking" structure for political reasons that gave England more of a right to own this region. You ignore these things and don't even study this era of history which exposes the entire thing.
You ignore history and refuse to answer any questions that don't jive with your faulty theory. Your own analysis of the stone exposes the true nature of the stone Scott. All of this info has been published already and I can't wait to see your views on how President Jefferson is involved in all of this because that has been covered too. Don't dislike you at all Scott. Ted
The Norumbega Tower is a copy of the Newport Tower; it’s not fake and has no relevance to the origin of the Newport Tower. I don’t understand your logic at all and all I’ve ever said is the Templar’s built around 1400; period.
DeleteYour disconnected speculation about some clandestine organization of families perpetrating frauds is at odds with scientific and historical facts. I still don’t understand what you are calling a “scam” and there are no facts to support your beliefs. Arnold claimed ownership of the Tower, he never claimed that he built it. Where is your evidence for that? Have you read any of the science associated with it?
Ignore history? Really? What I ignore are disjointed miss-interpretations of the facts to suit a fantasy you have created. I have no doubt there were people pushing religious and political agendas in the past as they do today, but in this case they used misunderstood artifacts that already existed, they didn’t create them.
Sorry "Ted", but swing and a miss three times.
You ignore recorded history in favor of your Templar fantasies and then twist anyone's words that disagrees with you. Again you have neglected to read about the Norumbega Tower and how Horsford claimed it was a Viking site using the same twisted self serving rationale you do. Every site you point to as being Templar was put there later by people for their own reasons. There is a huge amount of more evidence that proves you wrong. Right now you have the TV watching public brainwashed into thinking fakery is truth. There is a clear poltical rationale that is recorded by people who did it Scott. How is the at odds with what facts? The fantasies you have created Scott. Your stone and two other stone legends mark the borders of French Louisiana and Rupert's Land. This includes Buff Parry's sandstone pillar. Buff is way closer to the truth than you are Scott. I will continue to question your erroneous assumptions. You can't even respond to a blog query without mischaracterizing one's words in an attempt to obscure the truth. Tell us about your visit to Jamestown and the Archer Reliquary and how you found out about that. No mention of any of that because it proves you wrong with facts. Thomas Jefferson knew that exactly what you are talking about was bogus. Can't wait to hear what you have to say about that. You are the one who asked me to come here and comment. Strange how you have the time to respond here but not to emails with more than one or two words. Why don't you give us a distance and bearing for all of your sites from the Newport Tower so we can ascertain how well they align? You didn't answer any of the previous questions I sent about how your theory just does not make sense given the technology of the day. The Templars who were master navigators could not align a straight line of monuments they supposedly made. LOL. Another made up fantasy based on other peoples work that you also twist around to fit your stupid ideas. Chao. Ted
DeleteNote how you did not respond to any of the facts in my last post. Pathetic. Keep it up.
DeleteYou can't address any of the info I presented above because you are totally ignorant of it. You have not even looked hard enough beyond your limitations to see the truth!
DeleteTed,
DeleteYou're beginning to sound a little obsessed; time to tone it down OK?
Scott,
ReplyDeleteOak Island 1179 Map & The Templars Knew How to Calculate Longitude
Does any of this have to do with Pres. Jefferson and the KRS?
p@
Pasadena,
DeleteYou mean 1179 maps? There are three more associated with it that have yet to be published. In a roundabout way I'd say yes, but there is lot more pieces to the puzzle that aren't in play yet.
Sorry for being so cryptic, but stay tuned.
Scott, D, Regar{d}s,
ReplyDeleteOak Island 1179 (Maps) , The Templars Knew How to Calculate Longitude
Kensington Rune Stone Inscription Finally Solved!
How come when you published in your book A.2 F.F. - N 45° 15' W68° 57'
(hdd° mm') it didn't cause this controversy of a location expressed in (Degrees, Minutes) only?
I found the connection to all this with N 45° 15' W68° 57'
The answer to "The Templars Knew How to Calculate Longitude" -
close enough .
Are you planning a trip to Montana/Quebec this year?(code)
It is O.K. to be so scryptic.
p@
Pasadena,
DeleteThe complaining is simply obsfucation from the obvious point at hand. Just look at the picture I posted of these points that are plotted on Google Earth and tell me there isn't something going on here. There's no need for anyone to overthink it; what you see is what it is.
Yes, I do plan to visit Montana and Canada this year.
Pasadena and Scott,
DeleteI just thought I'd let you know this is at least a shared psychosis. 8 Ball Sasquatch Happy forecast Kelly Clarkson?
I think, I know where you're going.
If I had the same odds as the Google Earth map Scott provided, I'd be undefeated at Pin the Tail on the Donkey. All the candy would've been mine.
Best regards to both,
Anthony Warren
Debunkers remind me of Trump supporters. No matter how stupid, vulgar or dishonest a thing he does they will find a way to spin it into something positive. They will try to say I do the same thing, but they ignore the facts I bring evidence to support my claims.
DeleteBlind faith and willful ignorance doesn't cut it.
It's hard to argue against that Google Earth map.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting it.
It certainly shows a large number of sites, all basically on the same longitude, particularly when you look at the length of the line connecting them.
The Mound,
DeleteKeep in mind that people have suggested I include the Dighton Rock and the Bourne Stone which would both fall very close this line. I didn't include them because I think they are more likely Native Americans petroglyphs than of pre-Columbian European origin.
My teacher told me that if you turned in any of your blog posts while in middle school, you would have got an F for each one. He told me I was wasting my time here too. The same number coordinate in minutes would not be the same number in decimals. That is simple geography. And that's from me not him. So I think he is right.
ReplyDelete~Wendy
Wendy,
DeleteFirst, I never claimed the minutes vs. decimal notation was the same. I used the Google notation, minus seconds, simply to show the relative overall relationship of the 10 sites. This wasn't a school assignment which should have been obvious to your teacher. The notation I used was consistent and correctly illustrated the relative position of these sites using Google Earth.
Your teacher appears to have negative bias and is exerting undue influence on an impressionable young student which is inappropriate. If your teacher cannot understand the context in which this information was presented then I think he should refrain from making comments at all.
In any case, please look at the photograph of the Google image I posted above and decide for yourself if these sites appear to be lined up or not. That is only point I was trying to make.
I'm very interested in knowing whether or not Leonardo Da Vinci could have designed the Oak Island money pit. I was literally just watching your show when the question about Da Vinci's association with the Templars. I believe if you take a look it'll make an intriguing argument. I recently started my own blog about it, but I'd rather talk with you here. Can we discuss it here?
ReplyDeletePifaaso,
DeleteDa Vinci's certainly does have connections to the Templar's, but he was too late for Dog/Oak Island.
thank you, luckily I haven't lost any sleep over it yet:) Love your show, wish the seasons continued. Looking forward to what's next for you, good luck!
Deleteps. what's Dog part of Dog/Oak Island?
DeletePifaaso,
DeleteThat's what they called it back in Templar times.
or maybe it was "god" island, lol, as we now know pandora's box wasn't a box at all. Thanks again for your time!
DeletePifaaso,
DeleteIf God was anywhere in Nova Scotia is was probably God/Dog/Oak Island...
Scott,
DeleteDoes the same apply to Oak Island, MN? The triangular swamps can't be a coincidence.
Anthony Warren
Anthony,
DeleteDon't know; I haven't looked at that?
Scott... It's kind of a holiday for you and a great day to binge watch your show again for me!
DeleteI can't help to focus on the fact Da Vinci disappeared for two years and resurfaced at the Rosicrucian stronghold. Really?! Please read....
I am convinced he was somehow a part of it, possibly by moving it or upgrading the current "defense" systems, hydro-dynamics was his favorite subject. Where did he go for two years (church would have definitely had all eyes on him) and why resurface their Stronghold? You stated he has a connection, but if I recall neither you or Allen or St. Clair knew "exactly" what the association of Da Vinci was, I believe it was the treasure. He's the one and there's a junior college art history major somewhere that noticed something in one of his works that we've all missed, lol.
I will agree with you on most things, I have no reason to believe you'd lead yourself astray and you're open to all ideas, but why wouldn't Da Vinci have been assigned to re-hid it (Vikings about), or update it's defense systems, or it's possible they needed to add to the treasure just the same and couldn't without his expertise. He somehow avoided persecution from the church... he must have been owed a favor or two:)
I don't believe Oak Island is the only one of it's kind out there. The "treasure" yes, one of a kind, but the island and it's traps couldn't have been accomplished on first try. If so, that would mean they came in and flawlessly executed the construction on site very first try, zero failures. If not, then there has to be at least 1 "test" site on other similar islands that meet the same water table requirements.
All of these are thoughts based off the first two reasons why I am not walking from this theory, Da Vinci and his connection to the treasure.
But honestly, who has time to look at all his works, it'll likely come down to something in the Vatican or unknown private collection, or the Codex Bill Gates has, or that college student I'd mentioned earlier. Not to loose my point in the clutter of my thoughts, but again, he disappeared for two years then resurfaced at their compound!
If Da Vinci had any part of it, he was way too smart for us even now so we'll never find it, lol! Whomever built it has outsmarted our most clever, entrepreneurial, and resourceful individuals, a few psychic's, flat out dumb luck, all throughout the course of time WHILE using the best technology available. He's the only one who is that smart, imho.
Thanks for your time, and enjoy today!!!
also (assuming my last post was approved, crossing fingers)... Sebastiano del Piombo's art is riddled with "M"'s and others unfamiliar to me, maybe you can see something different.
DeletePifaaso,
DeleteLeonardo was a brilliant man and I believe was "in the know." However, the "construction" you mention in association with Oak Island didn't happen because it wasn't necessary. I'm confident the treasure was buried relatively shallow and was recovered long ago.
That being said, I think we can still learn a lot from Da Vinci and his works. Treasure can be many things, and the knowledge imbedded within his art might be some of the most important treasure of all.
There is a da Vinci connection to the Oak Island question. The Marquis of Landsdowne owned a copy of Maddona of the String Winder. Landsdowne is of the same Hill family of which one was the CEO of the OI Eldorado Company. This has already been published by someone else in tandem with a view backed by documentation that all of this was a scam. Thank you.
DeleteCongratulations; you claim that certain people had a Da Vinci painting and they had a familial connection to Oak Island. So what? It proves what was a scam? That Oak Island never had a treasure? I hate to break it to you but this collection of names and a painting prove nothing.
DeleteYou're drinking someone's spiked Kool-Aid I'm afraid.
Look at you stooping to personal attacks. There is a great deal more in association with the Hill family who were also prominent citizens of Alexandria Minnesota and even includes members descendant of George Washington who built a replica of Stonehenge. They also contributed to the construction of St. Paul's Cathedral in Minneapolis. So yes from your limited view this has nothing to do with the KRS or Newport Tower does it? The Hill's also came from Jamestown and Williamsburg and were intermarried with the Lewis and Marquette families so there is no inference of explorers and cartographers there is there Scott? I also found the Hill family involved in New Ross Nova Scotia. Go on thinking the Hill's don't have anything to do with what you are studying. It has already been proven yet I can hear you know crowing that I have no evidence. The Kool Aid is tasty from my perspective. You have taken the opium of your ego and refuse to acknowledge recorded history because it is all a conspiracy by "the academics" to debunk you. You have not looked hard enough Scott and it shows by your replies to my queries during which you don't address anything but cast personal aspersions on your detractors. Very weak imo. But I guess you already deemed that I "Struck out" so I'm sure you won't allow this one to be printed on your blog. LOL.
DeleteCort,
DeleteThese aren't personal attacks; this is an honest, critical assessment of what you are calling definitive conclusions. What you have done is make familial connections to people who are in proximity of certain artifacts and then somehow tie them to their creation. I don’t doubt these family connection with prominent and wealthy people are there, but you made nothing but circumstantial connections at best while at the same time completely ignore hard science because it doesn’t support your conclusion. You can 't just dismiss inconvenient facts. Come on man.
This isn’t a shortfall on my part; it’s blind faith on yours I’m afraid. Good luck to you.
I'm afraid this is more evidence than you have there Scotty. To say that the French National interest or the Hudson's Bay Company (who the Hill's were also associated with) would not mark there boundaries with a stone is simply absurd. Coincidentally your KRS sits right on the political division line of these two entities. There is an Earl of Orkney involved in your stone as well but his name is George Hamilton. Do you deny that the KRS sits on the border of the HBC and French Louisiana or not? Also why if the "Templars" could point the Newport Tower at the KRS all that distance away could then not properly align the sites you claim lay along a meridian created by the Newport Tower? Answer the questions for once. You have not addressed anything I have said with anything beyond accusing me of being a debunker, Troll, and "Drinking the Kool-Aid. You know darn good and well that for years people have been claiming the KRS is some kind of set up and you desperately want the "Templars" to have been the culprits. You accuse others of having no evidence but yours is self serving and just not valid. Even your own analysis of the stone says that the HBC or French could have left it. Check the dates sir.
DeleteSeriously, you’re venturing into weird areas that simply make no sense. Rattling off names and places without a direct connection to the artifacts doesn't cut it.
DeleteFurther, you have no answer for the KRS weathering science, the medieval Dotted R, the Ritual Code and the historical documentation soon to be published. 1362 means 1362; nothing more, nothing less. All the factual evidence from multiple disciplines (geology, medieval runology, linguistics, language, esoterica, symbolism and history) is consistent, cohesive and conclusive. It’s been peer-reviewed and published; game, set, match!
Let’s call it a day shall we?
Your own analysis says plus or minus 300 years Scott. Your words. Not mine. Yours.
DeleteAre we playing tennis or baseball here? Because what you are doing is playing games with historical facts Scott. I hope you get a lucrative TV show out of this nonsense there bro.
DeleteTo what specifically are you referring to? If you're talking about the age of the Newport Tower mortar I was probably quoting the test results of somebody else. Read my words here, I DO NOT believe the date of construction is plus or minus 300 years form any date. "I believe the Newport Tower was constructed sometime between 1396 and 1410."
DeleteMicrophone drop...
In your own TV documentary "Templars in America" you state that the KRS has a plus or minus three hundred year span in your analysis. I was not even talking about the Newport Tower. But since you place your dating of that structure on one shell recovered there that really holds a great deal of water. Both the standard date of construction of the Newport Tower by Arnold and the establishment of French Louisiana and Rupert's Land of the HBC match YOUR analysis of the age of the Kensington Rune. In your post just before that you were talking about the KRS so that is what I was referring to. Based on your geological expertise what is the plus or minus date range based on geology alone? If memory serves you have been saying plus or minus 300 years the whole time. Yes or No?
DeleteCort,
DeleteNo, I did not say that about the KRS. What I said on the show, and in my lectures, and what I published in my report and my books, was based on the tombstone weathering study the inscription is "older than 200 years from the date it was pulled from the ground (1898)."
Arnold did not say anything about the construction date; please get your facts straight. In his will, he referred to the Tower as, "My old stone mill."
What does "the establishment of French Louisiana and Rupert's Land of the HBC" have to do with the KRS? Obviously, people came after the Templar's trying to usurp their land claim; that doesn't prove anything. Does the double dating of 1362 mean nothing to you? You can't just dismiss the date, the weathering and everything with an arm wave because you believe in another theory.
Scott, what is the plus or minus date range for the Kensington Rune as per your analysis? Did you ever state that is was plus or minus 300 years? So Rupert's Land and French Louisiana just happened to conform to a much more ancient land claim of which the KRS is the only proof? What about the two other "missing stone" legends that also just happen to take place exactly on this same political division between HBC and French interests? Again: Why if the Templars could arrange the Newport Tower to site a rune approx 1250 miles away could they not arrange an array of monuments in a north to south axis accurately? Please answer the questions. All you do is strike me out win game set and match and mic drop w. no answers Scott. None. What relevance do you feel the Archer Reliquary in Jamestown has to the KRS if any? You are familiar with the Archer Reliquary aren't you Scott?
DeleteI'll keep following your work here... On to the next mystery! If you ever make it to Colorado and want to track down the Finn treasure along some gold medal waters, I'll bring the frying pan. Thanks again.
DeleteCort,
DeleteNow you’re not making any sense. I’ve answered your question so we’re done with that.
Yes, I've seen and held the Archer Reliquary in Jamestown and you can read what I have to say about it my upcoming book. I do think it’s relevant to the Venus Families' story, but it’s just a small chapter in a very big book.
Can we be done now?
Others have already published work detailing the origins of the Archer Reliquary as it relates to the KRS. Again you didn't answer any questions. This is "Scott Wolter Answers" right? How did you first learn about the Archer Reliquary Scott? This should be good...
DeleteCort,
DeleteI haven’t seen anything you’re written about the reliquary so I don’t know what you think. Since you have this annoying habit of ignoring hard science that stands in the way of your beliefs, reading your opinions serves no constructive purpose. I’m sorry if that upsets you, but until you can effectively address the voluminous evidence in multiple disciplines that are consistent with a medieval origin for the KRS, the disconnected musings you've shared here aren't something I can take seriously.
I learned about the Jamestown discoveries and the reliquary in the news. It was a pretty big story at the time as I’m sure you recall.
It still seem extremely odd that somebody would go to that much trouble, I mean we are talking 150-200ft, plus dozens of other levels and then the water traps. I understand hiding treasure, but if you ever wanted to see it again you would want to be able to get at it. There has to be a secret entrance that leads directly there (like what would have been the mouth of the cave in the movie "goonies") if you never wanted anybody to ever find it, then why not simply destroy it. Oak island will end up being empty, but it still a ridiculous amount to work to hide something
ReplyDeletezitter63,
DeleteYou are correct; nobody would go to that kind of trouble. It doesn't matter if a treasure was buried 1 foot underground or 1000 feet; if you don't know where it is you won't find it. Regardless of how deep a treasure was buried, if someone knows where it is, they will dig till they find it.
The "water traps" are nothing more than the water table. It's a glacial moraine island comprised of sand, gravel and boulders on the ocean. You dig a hole below the ocean level in that kind of glacial debris and it will quickly fill with water.
This isn't heavy lifting...
And of course you could be right, but I'm somewhat referring to (and not sure how closely you watch the show or have seen the findings) the diagrams of man made shafts and coconut fibers (which don't come from Nova Scotia) they say are part of these boobie traps. I'm sure there are plenty of underground springs of passages that are not man made, but they seem to think there is an intricate pattern in place to guard the treasure. I just don't see people in those centuries doing that to hide something. Sorry to bring this off topic.
ReplyDeletezitter63,
DeleteNo worries, I'm not buying any of the water-trap stuff and the coconut fibers could be packing material from ships that floated to the island who knows how long ago. Pulling it out by hand from the swamp doesn't tell us much about it; out of context.
Very true. I enjoy the theory that they actually sunk the treasure and the ship in the middle of the triangle shaped man made swamp, giving it the all seeing eye appearance (that would be rather cool) but finding 1 floor board and 1 deck spike doesn't exactly prove much. They would probably have to completely excavate the swap a good 20-50ft deep.. anywho, appreciate your insight.
ReplyDeleteHello Scott,
ReplyDeleteI was disappointed not find your Templar Pirates available. Not at History or Netflix. I was hoping to pause the program and decipher the Masonic Box Code on the headstones. I used to be extremely proficient with this code in my youth. I've recently found the "Kids Code and Cipher" book, I learned it from. I'm eager to test my skills. Is there any way possible to do a filler blog focusing on the Masonic Box Code on those headstones? That would be awesome!
Anthony Warren
Anthony,
DeleteI'm not sure what History is doing with that show? There was some really good things we did in there. Unfortunately, it was super expensive to produce so it was cancelled.
When I first saw that box code on the tombstone, I took a picture of it and sent it to Janet. She figured it out in an hour and texted me back. It's actually on the Internet if you look it up.
Here they are:
Deletehttp://www.history.com/shows/pirate-treasure-of-the-knights-templar
But you'll need this necessary companion piece too:
http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CLT/pdf/Rapport_Madagascar_EN_public.pdf
Here's a nice piece of info for your detractors to chew on: "In the late Middle Ages, the work of Claudius Ptolemy (2nd century AD.) was rediscovered and re-issued. Important for the cartography is a system of longitude and latitude. This system was devised by Hipparchus of Nicaea in the second century BC. Ptolemy gave in his Cosmographia the coordinates of about 8,000 places. From the 12th century again maps were drawn, based on the instructions of Ptolemy. In 1475 the first map of Ptolemy was printed."
ReplyDeletehttp://european-heritage.org/netherlands/alkmaar/dutch-cartography-17th-century
Aurea,
DeleteThis is good stuff and is another example that points in the direction of higher knowledge much earlier than many thought. We always have to keep in mind that knowledge was, and still is, power. Having the capability to calculate longitude was a valuable skill and would have been kept secret. It's no different than the secret trips the Templar's made for centuries prior to "Chris."
aurea thesaurum and Scott,
DeleteI've come across numerous references to Ptolemy's works being held by Muslim Sultans, in private family collections, and the Vatican. If the Vatican still has these works, they're likely to be found in Canada. From what I understand, the Pope moved most of the "secret" Vatican archives to British Columbia during, or just before WWII.
In his book, "Christopher Columbus, The Last Templar" the author Ruggero Marino briefly discusses Columbus studying the works of Ptolemy. I am currently rereading this book after several years. Due to knowledge I've gathered since first reading this book, I'm reading it with new eyes.
Thank you Scott!
Anthony Warren
>> TED: "Horsford who faked the Norumbega Tower"
ReplyDeleteMan, I only have a minute here and I have not read all replies, but TED, are you saying Horsford built a fake tower???
He built that tower to commemorate the location. He didn't build a tower and falsely claim it was ancient. TED, if that's your claim, I'm not going to bother to read anything else you've written.
The Mound,
DeleteHis name isn't Ted, it's Cort, and he called it fake by accident. He just got himself riled up and mistyped. It's all good.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/travel/2013/11/23/uncovering-new-england-viking-connections/JhxUdp7xvwZK8DjxqQ9cFO/story.html
DeleteAnonymous,
DeleteThis is a nice article, but the Newport Tower wasn't built by Vikings and Jim Egan is great guy, but John Dee didn't build the Tower either.
"Anonymous" today posted a 3 year old story from the Boston Globe, a source I respect.
DeleteBut it was just a piece in the Travel section written by someone trying to sell travel tips.
To put that out here as a legitimate piece of research is a joke.
Was that TED?
Hi, is there any connection between KRS-party and battle of Visby in 1361?
ReplyDeleteP. Ferguson.
P. Ferguson,
DeleteI don't think so. It looks like our KRS party departed Europe around 1358.
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