How this artifact got the top of the
mountain bluff outside of Rock Springs, Wyoming, back in the 1950’s is anybody’s guess. But according to the late Harvard Professor, Barry Fell, the text was Phoenician script which started this whole journey. The highlight of this episode for me was seeing the "Water Ghost Woman" petroglyph along with all the other amazing indigenous carvings at the sacred site very few people ever get to see. Of course, exploring the design and history of the only replica Phoenician ship in existence that has actually sailed the Indian and Atlantic oceans was a treat as well. I came away more convinced than ever that ancient Phoenician sailors could have made the voyage to North America, and into the Great Lakes, thousands of years ago to mine and collect 99% pure float copper. The metal was extremely precious and no where in the world is there a better source than what is known as the Upper Peninsula of Michigan now called "Copper Country." Although I'm convinced we proved the Phoenicians likely did not travel to the Wyoming/Colorado area to mine copper, I am more convinced than ever they did make to the Great Lakes region over thousands of years mining the precious metal that fueled the Bronze Age. What do you think?
Don and Patrice Bolen and I pose for an early morning photo
on the first day of shooting on a bluff overlooking Rock Springs, Wyoming.
Early morning fog created a surreal scene with
a giant glowing orb of the sun at our first stop on our first day shooting this
episode along a rural road in southern Wyoming.
Pat Luce give the double thumbs-up sign standing
on the rails where copper ore was mined from the Ferris-Haggerty mine. The green and blue colors in the bottom of
the pond are the copper carbonate minerals malachite (green) and azurite (blue)
that precipitated out of the copper rich groundwater's flowing out of the mine
shaft.
The world’s only known reproduction of a
Phoenician era ship anchored in the United Kingdom which is appropriately named
“Phoenicia.”
Captain Philip Beale and I pose for a pic on
the good ship “Phoenicia.”
At an incredible secret petroglyph site in
Colorado, many unique indigenous carvings are seen including the “Water Ghost Woman”
on the far right. These carvings are
believed to be at least 1000 years old.
Director of photography, Brandon Boulay grabs some beautiful “B” roll
footage of the setting sun along the continental divide in Northern Colorado.
Above the railroad tracks geologists and rock
hounds will appreciate the basalt-filled dikes intruding older meta-volcanics in
the Rocky Mountains of Northern Colorado.
Best episode of the season thus far. I recently bought and revisited the first three seasons, so the intro to the episode was a nice nostalgic treat for a fan since the Lake Mills episode (I lived in and near Madison my entire life). That intro and a few other production quirks gave the episode a bit of a pilot episode feel. Was this produced with an original intention of being the first aired reboot installment on Travel Channel?
ReplyDeleteWhat was your final thoughts on the stone? Obviously a 12 year old girl didn't pull off a Phoenician engraved hoax, so was it planted? Native America?
Zack,
DeleteI noticed the intro to last night's show was different. I think the reason is we didn't have a cold open reenactment like the four previous episodes this season so far. I liked the new open, but I have to say I love the cold opens I know we'll see more of.
It's hard for me to say what this inscribed stone is or who did it. There are no weathering aspects remaining for me to examine, so it's really just a guess. One of those mysteries that will remain so, for now...
The Great Lakes Copper episode is one of my favorite episodes and glad it was touched on here. If Phoenicians/Minoans came to America for copper, how do you believe they stumbled onto these mines? If they looked for Copper near the east coast all the way to the UP, wouldn't they have given up since the copper everywhere else on the continent wasn't pure enough? How would they have found the needle in a haystack in the UP?
ReplyDeleteBeen thinking about this for years and best I could come up with is that Native Americans widely knew about this place and possibly mined it beforehand and relayed that knowledge. My understandingis that copper ornaments represented high standing to the Natives and was revered, but was also not all that common. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Zack,
DeleteI don't think the ancient copper miners from Europe/Middle East stumbled onto to anything. I think word got back to them about the massive amounts of float copper laying on the ground after the glaciers melted away; it can still be found up there and even into Minnesota where I live. I think there was a high culture that existed going back 10,000 years and more. Some might call them the Atlantians and I suspect there was larger communication among people world wide.
Good news about the precious copper clearly got around.
Regarding copper trade. I recall from my Anthropology studies back in the 1970's, that North Coast indigenous peoples of the American Pacific Northwest possessed an item(s) that the anthropologists called "coppers". They offered no speculation as to where the copper was sourced. The folks that possessed a "copper" where considered to be quite wealthy, yet it served no other purpose other than to be possessed. The "coppers" were all disk shaped, about a foot in diameter with the inner one half of the radius being bowl shaped on both sides. And they were said to very heavy.
DeleteI'm thinking that maybe, it was sourced from the mines in the Great Lakes and that the "coppers" were once commonly found throughout north America. However, trading with the Phoenicians depleted what could be found on the east coast to where they don't exist today. And while they were trading, they probably would have asked "where did find this?" which would have led them to the deposits rather quickly.
Curtis,
DeleteThat seems like the most plausible explanation of how the incredibly pure Great Lakes copper was learned about. It's not like copper is rare up here. Back then it was literally laying on the ground as float copper. As precious a commodity as it was in Europe, it is everything here and likely was not a tightly held secret.
I have some artifacts you might be interested in. Ap phoenician net anchor found in the washougal river, a large stone with Indian carvings, Columbia gorge, and the personal stamp of the jaguar king from Guatemala. How do I send you pictures? Jim
ReplyDeleteJim,
DeleteBest email is swolter@amengtest.com
Scott Wolter is full of nonsense. Anyone that believe ancients mining copper in Michigan is a Simpleton. Galley carrying copper across the Atlantic yeah right! That ship would of sunk in a storm just like huge Roman fleets off Sicily. Nonsense.
ReplyDeleteTerrance,
DeleteWhat if you're wrong and I was indeed right? You'd look even sillier than this disrespectful comment make you look now.
Have some manners will you?
Terrance that was not very nice of you to say that and I am a field researcher myself pretty darn clever at forensics myself but unlike most people I am not scared to say what I think I'm stronger then I should be squeeze like a python don't want me on my bad side I only use it to teach someone a lesson if I had to I'm ferece don't want to have to teach one of y'all a lesson like I had to do in soccer as goalkeeper and defender
DeleteBrettany,
DeleteI appreciate your support, but trolls get a very short leash here. He knows that and I'm sure will conduct himself accordingly moving forward.
Anytime if u need me to research anything just ask
DeleteAnonymous Troll,
ReplyDeleteYou know the rules, if you're going to try and post hateful commentary you have to use a name to have a snowball's chance. Your faceless hateful troll behavior of the past is all done here.
Have a nice day.
Very interesting and I always enjoyed the Gavin Menzies series of books starting with 1421:The Year China Discovered America. Great reading!
ReplyDeleteSteve M,
DeleteGavin Menzies did make some compelling arguments about the Chinese coming to North America and I suspect they did; most likely on the west coast. However, I was not impressed with his theory the Newport Tower was built by the Chinese. I have examined numerous samples of mortar from the tower and have never noticed rice in any of them.
Scott,
ReplyDeleteI see a problem with Ptolemy's map. It shows no evidence of the Phoenicians sailing around Africa. In fact, looking at the map, it does not seem that Ptolemy knew that the Atlantic and the Indian oceans are connected.
Which makes me wonder ...
a) Did Ptolemy really use information by the Phoenicians to create his map? Maybe not. Maybe the Phoenician knowledge was lost by Ptolemy's time. But if that's the case I think we would have to assume that he did not know of any Phoenician discoveries across the Atlantic either. Thus those islands could not possibly represent the Antilles.
b) Maybe the Phoenicians did not actually sail around Africa. But then we would have to question whether they were really up to sailing across the Atlantic either. Sailing along a coast is a whole lot easier than sailing across the open ocean.
c) Maybe Ptolemy was selective about what he put on his map for ideological reasons. Possibly, but then I am wondering if we should draw any conclusions whatsoever from his map.
Food for thought ...
Hans,
DeleteInteresting speculation, but none of it with any factual support. I think we have to go with the facts we have. A replica boat was made and was successfully sailed around the southern tip of Africa in modern times. The ship captain expressed his opinion the boat could have made the voyage across the Atlantic to the Americas. I realize this doesn’t definitively prove that it happened, but it’s a much stronger argument than speculation based on a 2nd Century map.
Just saying…
Hans,
Delete"Sailing along the coast is a whole lot easier than sailing across the open ocean."
Unless... One possesses a specialized Astronomy.
Anthony Warren
The fact is that the “Phoenicia” would likely have been shipwrecked with loss of life a number of times were it not for the modern conveniences they utilized.
Deletehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9434701/British-adventurers-plan-to-sail-replica-of-Phoenician-sailing-boat-across-Atlantic.html
" it was fitted with a small engine which Mr Beale used sparingly to get in and out of ports"
"During the voyage, the boat's rudder broke nine times, the sail ripped in half, high winds drove them perilously close to rocks"
""We kept losing the rudders," said John Bainbridge, a 26-year-old graduate who spent a total of nine months on board the Phoenicia. "And we didn't have any engine back-up until we got to Sudan." This meant the ship kept being towed back to shore"
"We got the satellite phone out and prepared for the worst."
They had radios, sat phone, weather forecasts, walkie talkies, etc. etc.
Look at the array of antennas shown in this this photo,
https://www.sail-world.com/photos/sailworld/photos/Alt_Phoenicia%20-%20raising%20the%20yard.jpg
One is an elaborate radar antenna if I am not mistaken.
No doubt they also had sonar.
Not to mention that they utilized the Suez Canal which was only constructed between 1859 and 1869
I am afraid one cannot use this voyage as any sort of evidence at all, after 11 days sailing they took a week off relaxing in South Africa and were able to resupply at well known safe ports with all the amenities.
Also the opinion of the captain that it could sail to America is just that, an opinion, or speculation.
Remember a good part of his crew deserted because of the dangers they faced and had to be replaced.
I just don't see this voyage as viable evidence.
Fred,
DeleteI respectfully disagree. What was proven beyond any doubt is the ship was seaworthy and capable of making the trips. Was every Phoenician voyage set out upon in ancient times successful? Of course not, but it was part of the equation of life on the sea then, and now. Perhaps the incredible value of copper, and likely tin collected in the British Isles on the way back, along with the adventure on the high seas was more than worth the risk for those brave enough to go.
For all we know life for most in Phoenicia back then was Hell and risking their lives on the ocean was a better alternative. Think about the immigrants today coming from south and central America risking their lives for the chance at a better life in the U.S. In some cases, the incredible danger is worth it.
If you're thinking plomy the twelveth of the plomy dynasty there was more than one Cleopatra the there looking for is Cleopatra salene II Cleopatra the 8th
DeletePtomy as in the pharaoh right
ReplyDeleteSorry Anthony, wrong. It's always easier to stay close to the coast regardless what kind of super mathematics you think you have. That's why Spanish explorers in the Pacific stuck near the California coast when they could.
ReplyDeleteVM (Vir Magnificus)
Val,
DeleteIt may have been easier, but to sit there saying they couldn't have made it across the Atlantic is setting yourself up for a big bowl of cold crow. I would never underestimate the will and abilities of ancient cultures. Shortly after the put-down of the Templars, the Spanish made a beeline for the Gulf of Mexico to plunder the gold and riches of Mesoamerica.
What coastlines did they follow to get there?
Scott you seem to have some historical dates mixed up.
Delete" Shortly after the put-down of the Templars, the Spanish made a beeline for the Gulf of Mexico to plunder the gold and riches of Mesoamerica."
The "Templar putdown" as you call it occurred in 1307, whereas the Spanish never set foot on U.S. soil until 1513, more than 200 years later. Not exactly making a bee line by any stretch of the imagination.
"What coastlines did they follow to get there?"
They did not have to follow a coastline as the route was well mapped out by Columbus.
Also their ships were far,far superior to anything dating thousands of earlier during the bronze age, not even close.
Also their navigational instruments and knowledge were so far superior than anything from the bronze age that it really isn't even a comparison.
It would be asinine to assume technology didn't advance in the 48 centuries between the start of the bronze age and the early Spanish explorations of America.
Oh, Anthony!
DeleteI'm not "sitting there saying they couldn't have made it across the Atlantic" simply pointing out that there are times when super mathematics is not needed because there is an easier way. Simply pointing out that the Spanish travelled much farther than the Phoenicians are supposed to (Mississippi River) and still followed the coastline when it was the best method. Your argument is like crackers on cheese.
Best regards,
VM (Vir Magnificus)
Fred,
DeleteYou are right about the dates, but the Templars were there and it’s a safe bet the Spanish learned about the riches from them; most likely under interrogation and through seized documents.
Your grandiose statements about the lack of knowledge during the Bronze Age is based solely on what you believe. I thought the Phoenicia was a pretty impressive sailing vessel. In any case, neither of our opinions serve as conclusive evidence either way. It’s a stalemate and yet we still have to explain where did all the copper go in the Great Lakes and where did all the copper come from to fuel the Bronze age. I don’t believe European source can account for it all.
Scott,
Delete"and it’s a safe bet the Spanish learned about the riches from them; most likely under interrogation and through seized documents."
Sorry but this is all evidence free speculation on your part, seemingly made to make your theories appear more realistic.
" yet we still have to explain where did all the copper go in the Great Lakes"
What copper ? The huge amount of copper claimed by many to be "missing" simply wasn't there. The amounts were hugely, obviously and shamelessly exaggerated to the point of being completely ridiculous.
Anyone believing this data simply has not done any legitimate research on the matter.
http://www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html
Fred,
DeleteThis is exactly what happened. My 'theories' are supported by voluminous facts that, apparently you, and others simply refuse to accept.
This paper is typical archaeological nonsense full of the same lies that continue to be told by some (not all) elements of academia to further their view of what they believe history to be. The Smithsonian Institution is at the top of the list.
Sorry Scott, but you have gone from:
Delete"and it’s a safe bet the Spanish learned about the riches from them; most likely under interrogation and through seized documents."
To:
"This is exactly what happened."
Could you please show me one bit of factual evidence to support this ?
The rulers of the territories that would later become Spain, at the time were beholding to the Templars due to the heroic efforts of the Templars in reclaiming territory and keeping the Moors at bay. The Moors at the time controlled a large part of Andalusia In southern Spain.
The Spanish protected the Templars as much as they could and only 8 Templars were ever tortured in Spain, with none breaking to the torture.
So tell me again how "This is exactly what happened"
Give me some evidence instead of making statements you simply cannot back up.
As to this, please specify which parts are lies.
"This paper is typical archaeological nonsense full of the same lies that continue to be told by some (not all) elements of academia"
Show me real evidence, not blanket accusations of a multitude of respected academics and scientists of lying.
Your extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So far all you have are speculations, imagination and calling other people liars, other people who have actual compelling facts and real historical data.
Scott,
DeleteYou wrote "You are right about the dates, but the Templars were there and it’s a safe bet the Spanish learned about the riches from them; most likely under interrogation and through seized documents."
Setting aside whether we know "the Templars were there" for the moment do we have any evidence of or contemporaneous accounts of Spanish exploration or copper scrounging in the Great Lakes area? You're all over the map as well as the historical calendar and seem willing to say anything other than "Yeah, that might be wrong."
VM (Vir Magnificus)
Val,
DeleteI’m more than happy to admit when I’m wrong, but that has yet to happen in this particular discussion. But thank you for keeping an eye on my moral compass.
Fred,
DeleteLet’s start with this; have you read any of my books or those of Manley P. Hall? My guess is no, but if I’m wrong please enlighten me.
Second, with regard to my claim the Smithsonian Institution and other scholars lie, I would direct you to my blog from five years ago: https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-smithsonian-responds-to-america.html The Institution put its foot in its mouth and was caught lying red-handed. The truth is they blew it back in 1894 when they published the artifact as authentic without realizing it was a pre-Columbian paleo-Hebrew inscription, until they realized that it was. Then suddenly, it was a hoax and hired Mainfort and Kwas as hired guns to put it down. Disgraceful.
They lie Fred, and have been doing since their inception.
Before we talk about the Templars in the America's again; you need to read my books and get informed about "actual compelling facts and real historical data." Knowledge and true understanding comes best when you figure it out on your own. Please don’t take this as some kind of personal slight because it isn’t one.
Scott:
Delete"Let’s start with this; have you read any of my books or those of Manley P. Hall?"
The answer is no, nor will I unless you can give me some reason to think they might be worth reading.
As far as the rest, let's try to stay on topic and not get into a discussion as to why the Smithsonian does not care about research on a stone with a supposed Paleo-Hebrew inscriptions of the 1st or 2nd century that was "peer-reviewed in accordance with American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials standards.
I can't even,,,, American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials standards ??,,,wouldn't it be better be judged by archeologists? You know actual peers who know something about Paleo-Hebrew inscriptions.
But I digress, if you have any actual evidence, now would be a good time to show it.
As you said, please don’t take this as some kind of personal slight because it isn’t one.
Fred,
DeleteI’m not going to try and sell you on why you should read Manley Hall or my books. If you haven’t read any of them and have no initiative in doing so then it makes no sense to continue a discussion about pre-Columbian Templars in the America’s.
What the Hell is the “American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials standards”, and what do they have to do with the Bat Creek Stone?
On page 119 of my “Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers” book I wrote the following, “In 1971, the inscription (Bat Creek Stone) was found to be a Roman era Paleo-Hebrew Judean text by Dr. Cyrus Gordon (1908-2001), who was an American scholar of Near Eastern cultures and ancient languages. In his 1971 book, “Before Columbus: Links Between the Old World and Ancient America, Gordon wrote, “…a Hebrew inscription of Roman date (probably around A.D. 135) was scientifically excavated in Tennessee and published by Cyrus Thomas in the Twelfth Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-'91. Thomas, without understanding the nature of the writing, published the text upside down on page 394 and quite erroneously surmised it to be in the Cherokee script.”
Scott:
Delete"What the Hell is the “American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials standards”, and what do they have to do with the Bat Creek Stone?"
Perhaps you should tell me, from your blogpost that you referred me to:
https://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-smithsonian-responds-to-america.html
"My geological work on the Bat Creek Stone was professionally peer-reviewed in accordance with ASTM and AASHTO standards. It is those scientific standards that the building of our nation in the modern age was based upon."
The AASHTO being the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.
I will leave you too it if you want play that game, I have no interest in continuing if you cannot be forthright.
Fred,
DeleteASTM and AASHTO standards are two of the institutions that monitor field and laboratory testing and investigations of various materials which includes aggregates and rock. The point is our laboratory work conforms to the professional standards set forth by the industry. Obviously, AASHTO testing standards don’t directly address artifacts like the Bat Creek Stone, but the laboratory equipment, procedures, and staff qualifications do meet the requirements for performing forensic investigations on materials like rock. Bottom line is I have operated a qualified and periodically inspected laboratory for 30 years now.
No comment about the opinion of a respected scholar about the Bat Creek inscription that goes to the heart of this entire exchange?
Scott:
Delete"No comment about the opinion of a respected scholar about the Bat Creek inscription that goes to the heart of this entire exchange? "
I don't know what respected scholar you refer to. Surely you are not calling Manly P. Hall a respected scholar?
https://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/secret-teachings-reborn-the-mysterious-life-of-manly-p-hall
Fred,
DeleteI was talking about Dr. Cyrus Gordon.
I'm a field researcher myself of what I found out bout the ripper and Doyle and hhholmes is pretty neat
ReplyDelete"Could have" is a far cry from "Did". And, until proof of the "Did" is presented, every conclusion you come to afterward is just fantasy. I think you understand this, Scott. I do not think the majority of your more vocal fans do. You should continue to use your podium to ask "What if..", but you should also do a better job of letting your fans know that your show falls short of proving anything. Josh Gates does a fairly good job of this by providing qualifying statements and disclaimers at the end of his shows.
ReplyDeleteYour show is entertaining.
Prof. Czerny
Prof Czerny,
DeleteAs a person who has operated a materials forensic laboratory for 30 years I understand the scientific method and how to present those findings as well as anyone. I am very careful of making sure we do not make declarative statements unless it is appropriate. I would also not make assumptions about what my fans understand.
I'm not really sure what you mean by we need to do a better job of informing our audience of our findings? At the end of this episode we solicited the opinion of a respected scholar. What part of "it's not legitimate Phoenician script" did you not understand?
Scott,
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to say this but recent events have torn this from me.
Saying "For all we know" and "I don't believe"? Those aren't arguments. Sorry but we're not living in Narnia. Another poster made a good point, the Phoenicia should have circumnavigated Africa both clockwise and counter-clockwise. Without engines. Otherwise we could count Apollo 1 as landing on the moon.
VM (Vir Magnificus)
Val,
DeletePardon me for venturing off topic, but may I ask what lodge you belong to? And are you a Scottish Rite and/or a York Rite Freemason? As a member in good standing of both Rites, I’m curious where you are in your Masonic Journey?
Scott,
DeleteThat would go against my mentor's advice so I will only say "in the Washington, DC area."
VM (Vir Magnificus)
Val,
DeleteI'm going to call B.S. on your claim of being a Freemason. I am more than happy and proud to tell you my Blue Lodge is Wayzata #205 and my Scottish Rite Temple and Templar Commandery are in the Minneapolis Valley. Your answer was not acceptable and if you truly were a Brother Mason you would have no hesitation answering the question truthfully.
Care to try again? Or dare I say, have I caught you in a lie?
Scott,
DeleteThink what you must, but "in the Minneapolis Valley" is not acceptable by your standards. I'll stick with my own personal moral compass, thank you.
Best regards,
VM (Vir Magnificus)
Val,
DeleteYour responses have revealed you as a liar and a fraud. You are not a Freemason as you claimed and the “moral compass” comment cements it. Time to go back to the hate blog where you belong.
Geez…
@whomever you're pretending to be today,
ReplyDeleteBoats have been around for 50,000 years. In all that time, you think no one discovered the Gulfstream, and kept that knowledge secret? Add to it, a specialized Astronomy...One doesn't need to follow a coast. Part of following Venus to the Southwest, likely has to do with knowledge of the Gulfstream. At least that's how my pareidolia is interpreting the symbolism.
Anthony Warren
Anthony,
DeleteLeaving aside the question of when boats were invented, let's just go with the figure you gave, you're suggesting that early sailors travelled from Europe to North America against the current? The Gulf Stream is one-way.
Best regards,
VM (Vir Magnificus)
Val,
DeleteSeriously? You do know that ocean currents are circular right? They flow in one direction (let's say east in this example) and then circle back and flow west at different latitude, they don't flow in only one direction.
Gulf Stream air flows essentially one way, but ocean currents do not.
@Whomever you are today,
DeleteThe 50,000 years comes directly from your precious Smithsonian Institution. They never, ever lie, and the institution is beyond reproach...right???
https://oceancurrents.rsmas.miami.edu/atlantic/gulf-stream.html
The Gulfstream is visible from space. I have a hard time believing, no one ever noticed it before modern navigation.
Ptolemy the mathematician not, Pharaoh, or General of Alexander.
Anthony Warren
Anthony,
DeleteVal has been put on ice for masquerading as a brother Freemason when he clearly is not. He is likely a troll from a hate blog trying to stir up trouble with circular argumentation that is not serious or respectful. Consider yourself the victor and let's move on to more important matters with people who deserve our time.
I enjoyed this show...interesting artifact. Looking forward to episode 6
ReplyDeleteAnthony A,
DeleteGlad you enjoyed the episode it was fun to make. Already have this week's blog ready to go. Really cool episode with the feel of espionage. Hope you enjoy it.
To follow up on what someone else pointed out the Gulfstream was a major impediment to travel westward in the Atlantic until the development of motorized vessels. The primary force of it is north by east, although it is circular in that a branch of it diverges and sweeps southward toward Africa before curving to the west and the Caribbean. It was a tough sail for even cutting edge Portugese and Spanish naval technology of the Age of Discovery. Would have been far far worse for vessels using the technology of 3000 years ago. If you want to have an interesting conversation on this topic by actual experts then contact Lloyd's of London and ask if they would be willing to underwrite a voyage in which an exact replica of a 3000 year old Phoenician ship (free of any modern equipment or assistance in any form)attempts a roundtrip voyage from Lebanon to the Great Lakes region with a full load of provisions and the equivalent of a large load of copper.
ReplyDeleteThey might be open to discussing a voyage using a circa-1500 Portugese vessel, but consideration of using anything used in the Mediteranean 3000 years ago under the conditions described above would probably be laughed at.
Randal,
DeleteSounds like a great idea for you to pursue. For me, and pardon the pun, but that ship has sailed...
It's not something I need to delve into much further than I already have because I pride myself on having an excellent grasp of the obvious. Just a suggestion to you in the event that you decide in the future to try to return to port in terms of this topic and need some assistance in developing a more sophisticated understanding of the distinction between Captain Beale's experiment that was well-aided by modern technology and an actual voyage across the Atlantic and thru the Great Lakes in an authentic Phoenician vessel without all the modern bells and whistles and additional forms of hedging of the bet that were utilized by Beale.
Deletehttp://www.keyshistory.org/gulfstream.html
ReplyDelete"It was not until six years later that one Anton de Alaminos set sail for Spain from Vera Cruz, Mexico following the Florida coastline northward before turning eastward to Europe. This same Anton de Alaminos was the chief pilot aboard Ponce de Leon's ship on his earlier trip and had also sailed with Columbus on his last voyage."
"Years followed Ponce de Leon's discovery and not much was written about this ocean river. Perhaps they were keeping it as secret as possible."
We are to believe ancient peoples were too primitive to take advantage. This is the same thinking that has led to Ancient Aliens. The main difference between modern and ancient people seems to be the ability to keep a secret.
Anthony Warren
Mr. Warren,
DeleteI would suggest reading up on the various forms of nautical technology that was available to the Spanish at the time of Ponce de Leon and compare it to what was available 3,000 years ago. Unless, of course the ancients were so great at keeping secrets that they really had vessels equivalent to what were used by the Spanish and Portugese and just did a great job of leaving behind only information about ships that you probably wouldn't want to be on while crossing the English channel on a rough day without all the modern help you can get.
Scott, I'm contacting you about Clifton Tx. We have alit of the history you been tracking on all your investigations. Including the largest viking settlements, largest Indian mounds and camps, a building replica of the Alamo in Moshiem TX, formally Live Oak. In Clifton there is a enormous history of Norwegians and secrets everywhere. I look forward to you having a serious look here. I'm overwhelmed to see here so much more than you have found elsewhere
ReplyDelete.
Kelly,
ReplyDeleteIf we get another season of shows everything will be on the table! Thanks for sending a comment.