Sunday, September 3, 2017

A Preliminary Investigation into the Geology of the Overton Stone

On a perfect sunny day on August 31, 2017, my wife and I along with three friends hiked along the rocky shoreline of extreme southwestern Nova Scotia, Canada, to see, potentially, one of the most exciting petroglyphs in North America.  As we approached the two, car-sized boulders sitting on a slight rise roughly three-hundred feet from the ocean at low tide, the carvings quickly came into view. 

The carvings are on the south-facing surface of the larger boulder roughly four feet off the ground.  What stood out most prominently was the approximately six-inch tall Templar style cross encircled with an egg-shaped line that had four dots at the cardinal points at the flared ends of the cross.  The lower arm of the cross is longer than the other three resembling a Christian style cross some have interpreted to be connected to the Portuguese Templars.   Immediately left of the cross is what some say is a leaf, but to me it looks like a feather carved in detail.  Underneath the feather are what appears to be crossed tobacco leaves in the form of an “X.”  Immediately to the right of these is a carving of a crescent moon or possibly Venus.


Janet Wolter points the Overton Stone carvings of a Templar Cross, crossed tobacco leaves, a large feather and a crescent moon. (Courtesy of Patrick Shekleton)

My goals for the investigation were to document the rock type which is a strongly foliated mica schist, obtain a rock sample from the back side of the boulder for laboratory analysis of the mineralogy to try and understand aspects of the weathering, examine the depths and weathering aspects of the carvings, and to assess the site for possible archaeological assessment and possible dating of the carvings.  Fortunately, I was successful in all getting everything I hoped to accomplish on this trip done.  I’ll provide additional comments about the laboratory analysis of the rock and the archaeological work as results become available.

Of course, the significance of these carvings to my own and others’ research is huge.  If several centuries old they represent what was likely the consummation of a strategic alliance between a group of Knights Templar from Europe and the local indigenous people; the Mi’kmaq.  It would provide powerful new evidence that not only that pre-Columbian Templars visited these shores, but they had positive relations with Native Americas.  I have argued for years this allegiance was due in large part to their shared ideological views that included above all else a deep reverence of the Goddess they also called the, “Holy Mother.”  These carvings go a long way to proving this thesis was indeed true.  Stay tuned as we learn about these amazing carvings. 

216 comments:

  1. since you were investigating the geology of the Overton stone, did you take samples from it to view under magnification?

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    1. Anonymous,

      I took a sample from the back side of the boulder with comparable weathering to the south-facing side of the boulder with the carvings. I also took a sample from an outcrop of the same rock type along the shoreline roughly 50 yards away.

      This coming week I'll make thin sections of the rock and identify the mineralogy and generate a polished cross-section to document the thickness and characteristics of the weathering profile.

      At that point I'll have a better understanding of the relative age of the carvings. No samples were taken within or near the carvings, although I did take a lot of photographs.

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    2. Keep up the great work, Scott! I am looking forward to the results of your geological testing.

      All the best,

      -Tom

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    3. Hi Tom,

      Nice to hear from you. The results of my geological work likely won't tell us the exact age of the carvings. However, the planned archaeological work to be performed by qualified pros might just give us a hard date that we're looking for.

      I will keep you informed on what their plans are for that work.

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    4. I believe that is a corn leaf under the tobacco leaf then the feather
      Matt W

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    5. Matt W,

      I suppose it could be corn leaves, but tobacco is a sacred plant and is my best guess. I think we'll learn more when we have a conversation with the Mi'kmaq.

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    6. Sounds great Scott keep up the good work

      Matt W

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  2. How can one determine any data, or comparable weathering, if not taken from the carving?

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    1. The reason is because a sample from the carvings isn’t necessary. For what I want to do, two small pieces from the ground/beach will work just fine. I don’t expect my work to come up with a specific date; it will only tell us if the carvings are modern (less than a century or so) or older. That alone would be very helpful.

      I did a similar thing with the Kensington Rune Stone in that I didn’t need to take a sample from the inscription to get the conclusive data to put a relative age of the inscription. Fortunately, it was enough to definitively prove it is authentic.

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    2. "I did a similar thing with the Kensington Rune Stone in that I didn’t need to take a sample from the inscription to get the conclusive data to put a relative age of the inscription. Fortunately, it was enough to definitively prove it is authentic."

      If we are to take you at your word, your Kensington Rune Stone findings only put the inscription at least 200 years old, not definitively 500 years old. You then claimed the inscription was 500 years old because of the date carved on the rock. That is not science. That is not proof of anything.

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    3. The key words in my statement are “at least 200 years.” The weathering of the man-made surfaces of the KRS are clearly older since the mica minerals on the tombstones began to come off the exposed surfaces at approximately 200 years, whereas on the man-made surfaces of the KRS the micas are completely gone. This eliminated the possibility of a late 19th Century hoax as so many believed at the time, and apparently still do... These facts leave only one logical conclusion; the KRS is an authentic 14th Century artifact per the 1362 dates carved onto it twice.

      The authenticity of the KRS is a matter of scientific fact, not faith or belief systems.

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    4. "This eliminated the possibility of a late 19th Century hoax as so many believed at the time, and apparently still do... These facts leave only one logical conclusion; the KRS is an authentic 14th Century artifact per the 1362 dates carved onto it twice."

      This is not sound logic. It is a false dilemma.

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    5. Clearly your mind is made up about the KRS and that’s fine. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

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    6. I think what Anonymous is saying is that his/her mind is made up about your investigative techniques and the assumptions you make from them. He/she didn't really offer an opinion on the authenticity of the KRS.

      BL

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    7. BL,

      There is no evidence that Anonymous has the qualifications to pass informed judgement about my investigative techniques or the assumptions I made so the opinion expressed is based solely on personal beliefs IMHO.

      In any case, they are welcome to believe what they want.

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    8. "There is no evidence that Anonymous has the qualifications to pass informed judgement about my investigative techniques or the assumptions I made so the opinion expressed is based solely on personal beliefs IMHO." A truer statement could not be made, Scott. Since you refuse to engage in the standard peer review process, despite numerous requests and much interest in the topic matter, you can always allege that nobody has these qualifications. As long as you keep your research a secret, nobody can be educated about it to the point of being able to offer a sensible critique. You are asking us all to essentially take your word for it. I'm not willing to that. If you are, then I have a deed to a New York bridge I'm willing to sell you for the low, low price of $100. It's a bargain. Take my word for it.

      BL

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    9. I’ll hold onto that cash thank you very much. Fact: my research was peer reviewed by several academics and was published in report form and in the book, Compelling new Evidence, for all the world to see. You might also want to read what Professor Emeritus Alice B. Kehoe wrote about my KRS research in her 2005 book, “The Kensington Runestone: Approaching a Research Question Holistically.”

      Here’s a link to the book so you can purchase it and read for yourself: https://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Runestone-Approaching-Research-Holistically/dp/1577663713/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504637510&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Alice+B.+Kehoe++Kensington+Rune+Stone

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    10. So when the Professor Emeritus also wrote that your television show America Unearthed and your Templar theories are hogwash, should we take her at her word? I just googled her opinions on this, like most people probably did when you named her as a supporter, so you might want to address this issue.

      Neil Dicksen

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    11. Her supportive comments about mine and Dick Nielsen’s research and geological work that proved the KRS to be a medieval artifact are well documented. She agreed that we had conclusively proven the case and wrote a book expressing that supportive opinion.

      That she didn't care for my TV show might be due to her never having been asked to be a guest, but I don't know. Our show was well done, very successful and I am very proud of the work we did on it. Not everyone who watched it were fans which apparently included Alice, but that's fine. People are welcome to their opinion.

      What Alice disagrees with is in my interpretation of who created the KRS. She’s wrong about the Templars of course, but that’s also fine. She was allowed to express her opinion about the Templars in our documentary film, “Holy Grail in America”, but her unsupported and uninformed opinion is meaningless especially in light of voluminous new evidence.

      Frankly, it’s embarrassing she was completely unaware of the Native American/Templar strategic alliance, but that’s another matter. If the Overton Stone is indeed many centuries old it pretty much proves the point I’ve been making for several years don’t you think?

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    12. So the Professor Emeritus' meaningless, uninformed, unsupported opinions going outside of her expertise in regard to your Geology is acceptable, but not when she sticks within her discipline to take issue with your Templar speculations. Understood.

      Neil Dicksen

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    13. Anonymous Troll,

      Alice respected the work of a qualified geological professional which you obviously don’t. I see that as your problem, not hers. Further, Alice knows nothing about the Knights Templar order other than what academics think they know. She also knows it’s academic suicide to embrace any notion that pre-Columbian Templars were in North America. That is a big problem within certain academic disciplines that ultimately hurts everyone.

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  3. When was the first reported sighting of the carvings on this conspicuous rock that is located in a publicly accessible spot? Not even ten years ago?

    Curious.

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    1. To my knowledge, the carvings were only made public a few years ago. However, I’m sure it’s been known locally for a long time. I bet the Mi’kmaq have known about it for centuries if it is indeed that old.

      It’s on private land and is posted with signs, but we were told as long as you stayed on the trail it was OK to visit the site.

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    2. Might want to talk to more locals then. Locals who may have photographed the site for its scenic beauty, let's say twenty years ago at some sort of picnic.

      Curious?

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    3. That’s good idea; there has to be photos of it somewhere up there that people have taken. Of course, the best source of information about it and its history would be from the local indigenous folks. They must know something.

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    4. I'd ask Hutton Pulitzer if he carved it in preparation for his appearance on the TV show "The Curse of Oak Island".

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    5. Hutton isn’t that talented with a hammer and chisel. Besides, I suspect Hell would freeze over before he’d appear on the show again.

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    6. Correction.... "BE ALLOWED to appear ont he show again."

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    7. I'm sure Hutton will be just fine; enjoy the show as the entertainment it is.

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  4. Very Interesting Scott,

    Did you acquire an Archaeological Reconnaissance (Category 2) archaeology permit from the Nova Scotia Department of Communities, Culture and Heritage?

    Regards,

    D

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    1. Funny you should mention that as I had a lengthy conversation yesterday with the archaeologist who will be performing the work in Canada. No, a permit wasn’t necessary for our visit.

      The next time we go, the archaeologist will have all the proper permits, and hopefully, permission from the Mi’kmaq to do the work.

      Stay tuned.

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  5. "Immediately to the right of these is a carving of a crescent moon or possibly Venus." All these years of "research" and you can't tell the difference between the two?

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    1. You seem to know the difference; care to enlighten us?

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    2. My disdain for your trolls may have come across too snarky. I should have suggested The Three Billy Goats Gruff.

      Anthony Warren

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    3. Anthony,

      I don't publish the most vile comments which are primarily made by one individual who is obsessed with trying to slam my KRS research. I know who this person is and only allow posts that don't cross the line. I'll give you one example of his grade school trolling. You'll notice the name "Neil Dicksen" a few comments above. This is a nod to his obsession with Dick Nielsen who he idolizes since Dick turned against me several back. Sadly, all this did was undermine Dick's credibility and diminish his legacy.

      Clearly this particular troll has no life which will be evidenced by more mindless comments to soon come.

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    4. Venus would only appear as a crescent if you looked at it with a telescope. Are you claiming your Templars had telescopes? If so, when?

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    5. Anonymous,

      My Templars? I think the fact the crescent is there, and if the crescent was carved by the Templars as a symbol of Venus, then it tells us they must have been able to see it. This also means they had the technology to see it. Do I know what that technology was? I don't. However, one thing I learned long ago is to not underestimate their scientific abilities. They acquired knowledge from many cultures in the near and far east and astronomy was one of the primary sciences they sought as much knowledge about as they could. Keep in mind the Tibetan monks had monasteries in the Himalayan Mountains that served as the finest observatories in the world.

      I think the Overton Stone carving could evidence that supports that premise.

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    6. Scott,

      I speak and read Tibetan, I know Tibetans and I have been to Tibet more than once. I can categorically assure you that Tibetans did not have observatories of any kind.

      Joseph Christopher

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    7. Anonymous,

      One doesn't need a telescope to see a crescent Venus as she appears during the day.

      Quit thinking about just the Templar knights and wrap your mind around the clerics behind them. You're focusing your attention on football teams while failing to see an entire system of universities.

      Anthony Warren

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    8. Joseph,

      I’ve been to multiple monasteries above 13,000 feet in Nepal and they pay close attention to the stars and the planets including Venus. Observatories don’t have to have telescopes to see details in the heavens which includes that crescent of Venus.

      I’m afraid you are wrong in your assumption my friend.

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    9. Anthony,

      The Dicksen is being simply being a troll and has no interest in learning. He's here to harass.

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    10. Anthony,
      Can you see Venus during the day with the naked eye? I hope Scott isn't referring to me as a troll by asking such an obvious question. But as I understand it, Scott is claiming that the Templars had to be able to see Venus as a crescent and would have developed some unknown technology to do so. That's what he wrote. But doesn't that seem to be working backwards to justify an already embraced conclusion? Accepting only interpretations that fit a preconceived notion.

      Can't you see it Anthony? This is not how history is written.

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    11. So an observatory is someone looking at and "paying attention" to things in the sky. By that definition I have to admit you are right.

      Joseph Christopher

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    12. Anonymous,

      You can alleviate the label of “troll” by diching the combative attitude and having the decency of using your real name. That’s the first step in getting the respect you feel you deserve; start there. Second, don’t over-analyze the situation in an attempt to play “gotcha.” Just be polite and ask questions; stop making accusations.

      Yes, the crescent shape of the planet Venus can be seen under optimal viewing conditions. I have seen it myself. If I can see it, then I’m sure the Templars, and both Tibetan and Nepalese monks could as well.

      Satisfied?

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    13. If you have seen Venus as a crescent, and you must have extraordinary eyesight, why didn't you tell me that yesterday?

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    14. You didn’t ask… I had never seen so many stars in the sky or the moon and planets so clearly as I did the Himalayas in Nepal. I can also say that I have seen Mount Everest. It was truly amazing.

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    15. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Templars used telescopes. Especially with their contact with other peoples. Telescopes have been around for thousands of years. Many of the ancient optical lenses have been found. Smart enough to create an optical lens and yet not smart enough to stack them, is an argument which holds no water. Our ancestors were able to do some amazing things with just naked-eye observations. An observatory doesn't have to contain a telescope. A Cenote can be used, as well as the gap in the Overton stone itself. Many seemingly innocuous buildings are actually observatories.

      Anthony Warren

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  6. Hello Walter,
    The carvings look like they are in incredible shape. I noticed some moss on the right side of the carvings. Do you believe the carvings were touched up? Possibly cleaned chemically or re-chiseled for clarity?

    Moises Ferreira

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    1. Moises,

      I have no reason to believe the carvings have been cleaned with chemicals or anything else. Because of its southern exposure it probably doesn't lend itself to conditions for aggressive lichen growth. I'm not an expert, but there was a black colored lichen and the orange colored lichen growing a various surface of the two boulders, but I'd say only 15-20% of the rock surfaces had lichen present.

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  7. Hey Scott,
    Where in the Mediterranean were there Knights Templar abbeys, churches, sects, etc. besides the holy land (Israel) and Southern France?

    Dario

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    1. Dario,

      A quick internet search will show many sites in the Mediterranean region, but Malta is one place you might want to look into.

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  8. Hello Scott,

    There's a third possibility to consider with the Crescent symbol. A solar eclipse seems to fit in with the overall symbolism. If the two crossed tobacco leaves are the path of the sun and the feather the moon, it would stand to reason this is depicting an eclipse.

    I think the feather depicts the moon and has similar symbolism going all the way back to ancient Egypt, and quite possibly long before. I've seen depictions of the Moon Goddess Diana with a pattern similar to the feather comprising her hairstyle.

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    1. An eclipse symbol is certainly a possibility. If so, it would likely be of Native American origin. The Templars were known to use the symbol of a circle with two parallel horizontal lines across the center portion of the circle.

      The gift of an eagle feather is the highest honor Native Americans can bestow; I'm inclined to think that is what it is most likely related to, but it could have another meaning I suppose.

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    2. The same circle with two parallel lines which is present on the Halpern Oak Island map??? Does this make everything written below the symbol instructions for calculating longitude???

      Looking at that map in a whole new way,

      Anthony Warren

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    3. Anthony,

      Yes, everything below that symbol is important (including one of three Hooked X's) and you can be sure they understood how to calculate longitude as there are several on the map plotted correctly using Paris as the Prime Meridian.

      This map, and several others in the document that have yet to be published, are quite incredible.

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    4. Scott & Anonymous

      Could the crossed feather be Crossed Palm Leaves- as in Palm Sunday.

      Many western churches have observed palm blessings and distributions to the congregation on Palm Sunday since the middle ages. Early references to Palm Sunday observations, including a procession and blessing of palms, go as far back as the fourth and eighth centuries.

      The date of Easter Day is usually the first Sunday after the first Full Moon occurring on or after the March equinox or Palm Sunday.

      Easter Sunday would have a crescent moon- since it not a full moon.

      https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/common/palm-sunday

      P@

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    5. Pasadena,

      I don't know if Palm Sunday is connected to the carvings in any way, but I suppose that's possible. Their age will tell us a lot I suspect, but regardless I think some type of strategic alliance or agreement was consummated that prompted the carvings at such a prominently location.

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    6. Having established their north-south line in Paris...Were the brothers using the Pythagorean theorem to navigate? I believe I'm visualizing how it works just not sure how they counted their knots while at sea. I'm already positive they knew about the tropics and equator. They go all the way back to Sumeria as the Way of Enlil, the Way of Enki, and the Way of Anu.

      Anthony Warren

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    7. Anthony,

      I'm not aware of the specific mathematics used by the medieval Templars while on their expeditions across the seas. However, I would never underestimate their intellectual capabilities.

      Knowledge of higher order mathematics, geometry and astronomy is what gave them an advantage over their rivals. That, and ancient maps and knowledge of previous navigation to the various continents in the distant past.

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  9. Hello Scott,

    Other than failing to sign my name to the solar eclipse idea, I forgot to mention, IF...and that's a BIG IF the solar eclipse interpretation is correct, it could help date the inscription.

    Best regards,

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      That's a very good point and might be corroborated by other evidence.

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  10. ~This is untrelated, but an interesting side note. On Labor Day my wife and I visited the Lone Lake Park on Shady Oak Road to view the rain gardens and Monarch waystation installed by the Nine Mile Creek Watershed district. We believe you and Jan were there with your two dachshunds beginning a walk into the into the moraine trails. We have never seen carvings on our walks, but realize the geological features would interest you. Besides being an unusual hiking outing, are you investigating something yet to be revealed in an episode?~

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    1. Hi Kevin,

      You should have come up to us and said hello. Wish I had something interesting and mysterious to tell about Lone Lake, but its just a really nice and quiet place to take a walk. It'll be even better in a few weeks when the leaves turn.

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  11. Scott

    The Portuguese Cross and the 4 dots depict the five wounds associated directly with Christ's crucifixion, i.e., the nail wounds on his hands and feet as well as the lance wound from the roman soldier which pierced Christ's side. Jerusalem Cross or Cross of the First Templar Crusader Knights of the Holy Sepulchre Jerusalem.

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    1. Pasadena,

      You have 4 dots representing 5 wounds; I don't follow that?

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    2. Scott

      I know you don't like Wikipedia but here it is-

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_cross

      "While the symbol of the five-fold cross appears to originate in the 11th century, its association with the Kingdom of Jerusalem dates to the second half of the 13th century.

      The symbolism of the five-fold cross is variously given as the Five Wounds of Christ, Christ and the four evangelists, or Christ and the four quarters of the world. The symbolism of five crosses representing the Five Wounds is first recorded in the context of the consecration of the St Brelade's Church under the patronage of Robert of Normandy (before 1035); the crosses are incised in the church's altar stone."

      The picture of the conventional arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem matches it somewhat perfectly.

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    3. Pasadena,

      The Jerusalem Cross has smaller crosses in the four quadrants; this cross has them at the cardinal points. It's different, but I can see what you're saying. I think there is a more esoteric meaning to these carvings rather than purely Roman Christian symbolism, but we don't know for sure.

      Once we know its age WE might have a better idea of the meaning.

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    4. Scott

      Rose Cross (Rosy Cross, Rosencreutz)

      ----see picture at this site----

      http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1339

      The earliest rose crosses were a variation of the Christian ankh or crux ansata, and are associated with the Coptic (Egyptian) church, and related Gnostic sects.
      Hidden significance of the symbol is the union of the rose of Mary with the Cross of Christ, the union of the divine feminine with the divine masculine. The shape of the rose cross suggests the rosary or the mirror-cross of Venus.

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  12. Hello Scott,

    Are the punch marks I'm seeing intentionally made, or are they due to natural processes?

    If the crescent symbol does represent Venus, it gives a whole new interpretation. I can't help but to see DC in the diamond made by the punch marks around the cross. Makes me wonder if this pertains to astronomically ordained spot of the AVM between Virgin(ia)
    Mary(land).

    This is cool stuff, Scott. I appreciate your work.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      The punch marks looked to be man made as they were in the four cardinal points around the egg. I think we need to get the Mi'kmaq perspective on these carvings at some point. I'll be they know.

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    2. Anthony & Scott

      YouTube Video of the Overton Stone

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8MVtR1W0aE

      What is your opinion's on the other marking on the bottom of the stone 06 07?

      Scott did you look nearby at Yarmouth Runic Stone. The Stone is currently on display at the Yarmouth County Museum.
      Dr. Fell thought it might be Basque- meaning "Basque people have subdued this land".

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    3. I'm referring to the punch marks that appear to be between the two tobacco leaves, and the tobacco leaf and the quill of the feather. There appears to be several others especially in the video recommended by Pasadena.

      Anthony Warren

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    4. Pasadena,

      I'm not sure what to think of those numbers or the two other symbols carved nearer to the ground. They could be dates or coordinates; hard to say.

      We did not see the Yarmouth inscription, although I plan to at some point. I'm skeptical of a lot of Barry Fell's translations. However, I'm not in a position to comment on this translation in this case as I'm unfamiliar with the script.

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    5. Anthony,

      I don't think those depressions are man made. The way the rock weathers creates areas with deep pitting; I think that's what those marks are.

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  13. Hello Scott,

    I believe there are two major implications to your work no one talks about. The first being, the United States is not a British colony. The second is the rapid spread of the Bubonic plague across the world, due to the grossly underestimated size and scope of the Templar shipping Empire. I've read several sources which claimed the Templars only possessed nine ships, and never reached India, the Far East,
    America, or anywhere outside of the Mediterranean Sea.

    I can foresee some major revisions coming to our history books. Completely destroying the myth of an all-white Christian Republic propagated within the history books of many public school systems. Personally, I long for the day when I don't have to hear some smug Britt call me property of their German Queen. In the immortal words of the late Merle Haggard, "They're walking on the Fightin side of me".

    Anthony Warren

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  14. "I'm not aware of the specific mathematics used by the medieval Templars while on their expeditions across the seas. However, I would never underestimate their intellectual capabilities.

    Knowledge of higher order mathematics, geometry and astronomy is what gave them an advantage over their rivals."

    Scott, it seems to me that one of these does not belong. How do you reconcile these two statements?

    Regards,

    Alex J. Hiddell

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    1. Alex,

      I don’t see any conflict in these statements. We know the Templars had extensive knowledge in mathematics, geometry and astronomy, and that they were masterful sailors. While there is no question they had the necessary knowledge, what the exact specifics of the knowledge was I don’t know for certain.

      Not sure why you feel these statements need to be reconciled?

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    2. I just don't get how you know they had something if you don't know what that "something" was.

      Regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    3. Alex,

      I think you're over-thinking this. What exactly the calculations were and how they use the stars/planets/sun I personally do not know. However, they used math, geometry and astronomy. I don't know how to explain it any better than that.

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    4. What needs reconciliation are the two statements below:

      1) "I think the fact the crescent is there, and if the crescent was carved by the Templars as a symbol of Venus, then it tells us they must have been able to see it. This also means they had the technology to see it."

      2) "Yes, the crescent shape of the planet Venus can be seen under optimal viewing conditions. I have seen it myself. If I can see it, then I’m sure the Templars, and both Tibetan and Nepalese monks could as well."

      On the 14th it takes technology to see Venus as a crescent. On the 15th Mr. Wolter decides that he's seen it before.

      Please explain what changed in one day.

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    5. Anonymous,

      This is a classic troll entry in a petty attempt to play “gotcha.” Comments like these don’t further the discussion and make you silly. Of course, commenting as an anonymously makes it easy to say dumb things.

      Please try again and make it productive and polite.

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    6. Alex,

      Now we are going in circles. The point is they obviously had the knowledge to successfully navigate the seas. Any navigator will tell you to do that takes an understanding of math, geometry and astronomy. The specifics of these sciences with regard to navigation I am not privy to, but because of their success with navigation we can logically deduce they knew what they were doing.

      It's really that simple.

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    7. But Scott,

      You're saying that they knew MORE than other navigators, or at least you were.

      "Knowledge of higher order mathematics, geometry and astronomy is what gave them an advantage over their rivals."

      You see my confusion?

      Regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    8. Alex,

      I say this because historians want us to believe that no one during the Crusader period was making these long-range voyages. I think it’s safe to assume if this is true, one of the reasons was due to a lack of knowledge. Because we now know the Templars were capable long-range voyages, as evidenced by the KRS, SPRS, NRS, Newport Tower, etc., it is safe to assume they indeed must have had the knowledge it appears others did not.

      Is this helping you at all?

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  15. Well Scott,

    It shows they were at least the equal of the Vikings! And the Chinese. And the Polynesians (remember Kennewick Man).

    Regards,

    Alex J. Hiddell

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    1. Alex,

      Yep, I can agree with you on that!

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    2. Alex, an interesting exchange over the course of the day. I don't think the operative word is "more" - primarily because that is a word that is only relative when compared to something else. The comparison with the Vikings, Chinese, and Polynesians - or any other specific seafaring nation or group just isn't all that important. All of them were capable in their own right as navigators using the technology and knowledge present within their respective era's. The simplest measure of navigation prowess is whether the group successfully completed their journey. Navigation, in general, and certainly long distance navigation, is amalgamation of many competencies. Scott's mention of math, geometry, and astronomy being a requisite competency for medieval era long distance navigation is correct. One had to be knowledgeable in those disciplines. Jaime Ferrar in his 1495 letter to the Sovereigns of Spain touched on that very subject...and since the rhumb line azimuth sailing that Ferrar speaks of in 1495 is present in the early 14th century Italian portolans, then it is explicit that knowledge in those areas was a pre-requisite by then as well. The astrolabe made in Europe has been historically dated to the 10th century and Moorish Spain (Barcelona). The Arabs understood spherical geometry in the 9th century; if you are interested, take the time to read the English translated work of Al-Battani that is available on archive dot org. Another good book to delve into for these topics is written by John Kirtland Wright. Lastly, take some time to deconstruct the 1427 Map of the North by Claudius Clavus (along with the associated Vienna and Nancy Texts).

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    3. The takeaway for me is that people all over the world, including in Europe, had the same advantages the Templars had.

      Regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    4. Alex,

      Not exactly; since the historical narrative according to historians is NOBODY made trans-Atlantic voyages from roughly 1000 A.D. to 1492. We now know the Templars made those voyages many times throughout that period which suggests a navigational advantage over other European groups at that time as we have no evidence anyone else made trans-Atlantic successfully until "Chris."

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    5. "We now know the Templars made those voyages many times throughout that period..."

      Saying it over and over again does not make it true. It takes more than fantasy and speculative interpretations to rewrite history. You need evidence, of which you have none.

      Neil Dicksen

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    6. Dick Nielsen,

      First, this will be the last comment I publish with your disrespectful corruption of my late co-author’s name. Second, you fail to accept, or comprehend, the Templars' multiple trips to North America as evidenced by the KRS, NRS, SPRS, Newport Tower, etc., that is obvious to everyone else. Turning a blind eye to the obvious is your choice.

      Think carefully and use better judgment before you post here again; you know what is acceptable and appropriate. You’ll have better luck trolling with a fishing pole than trying to score points on this blog.

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    7. Hi Scott. I'm not quite sure if I can agree with your logic here. When you say
      "We now know the Templars made those voyages many times throughout that period which suggests a navigational advantage over other European groups at that time as we have no evidence anyone else made trans-Atlantic successfully until "Chris."
      I have to point out that the KRS indicates that "if" the Templars were involved with the KRS they were in the company of other peoples. This shows they were not alone in visiting America and also shows they were with Nordic people who were proven to have been there numerous times previous. why would this indicate they had any sort of special knowledge ?

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    8. The only “other peoples” the Templars who carved and buried the KRS as a land claim were with was their Native American “blood brothers.” Last I checked the natives were already here when the pre-Columbian Templars came.

      I suspect the crew of the KRS party were mostly Norwegian with the remaining monks likely being from Scotland or somewhere else in the British Isles and possibly France. The Templar knights, and certainly the Cistercian monk who carved the KRS, were initiated with much ancient knowledge few in Europe were privy to. This would have included navigational info that was held secret and sacred. The proof of this esoteric knowledge is embedded within the KRS inscription (See my Ritual Code post for additional info).

      You don’t have to agree with my logic or anything I say or write; that is your choice.

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    9. Well, by other peoples I mean 8 göter and 22 norrmen who are noted on the KRS. (There is no mention of Templars, nor Cistercian monks)
      At any rate my question is: If the Norse had land hopped to North America previously, why would Norsemen returning to America be indicative of a secret and sacred Templar navigational advantage ?

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    10. You have to read the clues and understand the true history leading up 1362 to know it was the Templars and Cistercians who created the KRS.

      The answer to your question about these early Templar voyages to North America will be answered in due time. You might try reading my books and those of others to try and figure it out on your own. It'll mean more that way.

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  16. The only thing that needs to be reconciled is the original troll's statement of needing a telescope to view a crescent Venus. The keywords are optimal viewing conditions. Sometimes there are clouds, and Venus and the moon aren't always visible during the day. Yet, with naked eye astronomy our ancestors were able to bring the geometry of the Stars down to earth. The double Cube in Stonehenge, the equilateral triangle of Jerusalem, the cube of Mecca, the layout of Renee Le Chateau, and even the diamond which makes up the boundaries of DC and is also part of an enormous AVM. As above, So Below. With naked eye astronomy our ancestors used the orbits of Saturn and Jupiter to form an accurate clock. They found the pentagram in the orbit of Venus which contains both Pi and Phi. The 18.6 19.6 18.6 cycle of the moon. The megalithic system of math containing the megalithic yard. The eight-year cycle of Venus which repeats exactly every 40 years. One hinge is said to contain the Pythagorean theorem. I've yet to figure out what stars they were aligning their stones to. With this jealously guarded knowledge a small group of men and women took control of the world. Some of us here, are trying to figure out how they did it. A major part of which is their navigation system. These people controlled the Seas when historians say they couldn't.
    The proof is all around if you open your eyes and look.

    Anthony Warren

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  17. "The simplest measure of navigation prowess is whether the group successfully completed their journey."

    By that standard Columbus, who ended up anywhere but where he was trying to go, was a successful navigator, and the guy steering the Titanic was not.

    To put it in perspective, the Ancient Greeks [bundled up and] reached the Arctic Circle in the 4th century BCE.

    Regards,

    Alex J. Hiddell

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    1. The Titanic failed to adjust their course after being notified. Stupidity always negates navigational skill. Columbus had an issue with his initial distance calculations because of mixing up his distance conversions, but he was capable enough to complete four trans-Atlantic voyages and bringing his crew back home every time. Yep, Pytheas in ca. 325 BC made it to the land of the midnight sun. Success is achieving your objective, making it back, and crafting a record of having been there (whether concurtent while there or by accounting afterwards). Unless, of corse, there was no intent in returning to your origination point. The gist of the discussion isn't whether navigation capabilities were sufficient to make a trans-Atlantic journey, L'Anse aux Meadows settled that already. Where this thread leads is whether the KRS, SPR, NRS, and NT have elements in their design and geographic placements that demonstrate medieval era competencies in the areas that Scott wrote about. Patrick S.

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    2. Alex, I understand your "equal advantage" counterpoint, I presume fashioned on the position that knowledge, by itself, is neutral - it affords equal advantage. In the real world things play out differently. Knowledge is stockpiled, hoarded, and guarded because access to it for one party coupled with limiting the sharing of it to others, gives a decided advantage. The 1418 School of Navigation in Sagres, Portugal was NOT open to all...and in the ensuing years Portugal reaped the advantage of restricting participation. Resources are also unequal. A voyage required funding, not all were equal. Good discussion...

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  18. The steel making process is a perfect example of compartmentalised knowledge. Once one of the most jealously guarded secrets, and is now proprietary knowledge. Those who could transmute iron into steel had a major advantage. Especially if they used meteoric iron to create a magic sword. I'm done responding to the troll. There's more important things to discuss.

    I have to agree with Matt W. I'm seeing a corn leaf as well. Corn seems more fitting for a female deity. Tobacco was for men only. Men were supposed to use ornate eagle feathers while women are said to use plain. To my eye there is nothing ornate about the eagle feather carving which would suggest it's plain and possibly female.
    I've read conflicting sources of which tobacco was used. Some say sumac was added, and others claiming a nicotine free variety. The popular story seems to be rolling enormous cigarettes called tobaccos and taking an enormous hit, holding it as long as you can until, you fall or ground and convulse. Basically inducing a seizure. After the convulsions the person would report what he saw. I think it's similar to partaking in college and holding it too long.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      The troll knows what the ground rules are if he wants his comments posted. If it's something worthwhile and furthers the discussion, I'll post it. The petty insults driven by his extreme superiority complex and jealousy, well he knows what will happen.

      I understand your argument about corn leaves and you may indeed be right. Tobacco is one the four sacred elements of the Mide' win; sage, sweet grass, cedar and tobacco. By smoking tobacco in the sacred pipe their prayers and wishes were contained within the smoke to rise to the Great Spirit in hopes of fulfillment. This is why my money is on tobacco leaves possibly carved as a symbolic request to Creator to consummate an agreement or alliance.

      Holding smoke back in college? Whatever could you be talking about...?

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    2. Anthony,

      You might want to double-check the meaning of "proprietary". Anyway, steelmaking: steel has been around for millennia and like bread-making has been independently invented all over the world. Again with what seems to me to be an imaginary advantage. If everyone has it it's not an advantage, and a bronze sword will kill you just as dead as a steel sword.

      In the first half millenium Indian steel was exported to the known world, and I know you're dying to say "But Damascus steel!" Guess where Damascus steel originated?

      So Chinese, Vikings, Arabs, Indians, Africans, Japanese, ETC. all made and in some cases exported steel, and it's been going on for millenia, so same as navigation it's not clear to me that there was any advantage.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    3. Scott,

      I get the tobacco argument. From what I recall, the Delaware were the first to use and cultivate tobacco. I would personally put my money on a corn leaf, crossed over Aloe. Probably due to the carvings of both plants in Rosslyn Chapel. I personally have 2 aloe plants, I've grown from two tiny nubs left after my Grandmother's estate sale. This variety looks strikingly similar to the carving. It's sacred to me as, my Grandmother got her aloe starts from her grandmother. Interestingly, she was not only a Healer knowledgeable with all the herbs, her mother's last name pops up in the Cathar/Cistercian/Templar/
      Freemasonic narrative. I used to hear stories of her going into the woods to harvest tree barks, various saps, and medicinal plants. She was said to cure pneumonia with some sort of turpentine and tree bark concoction.

      Anthony Warren

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  19. Anthony,

    Just what are you thoughts on "magic swords"? I have to be honest, it sounds like crazy talk but maybe there's some basis for the idea that I'm missing?

    Best regards,

    Alex J. Hiddell

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  20. I was hoping someone else would say it first...Does anyone else see the cross of Lorraine??? I'm familiar with the cross and the crescent symbolism. I don't think I've ever seen a double cross with a crescent before.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      I do see it and if you rotate the feather tobacco/corn leaves 90 degrees you also see a Hooked X. But then, the Hooked X is really an abbreviated version of the Cross of Lorraine.

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    2. Scott,

      The eagle feather brings dualism into the picture. I'm still thinking the hooked X or Cross of Lorraine or double cross is a combination of the cross of Venus and the cross to the Sun. I'm aware of two days where they can illuminate the same spot. September 17th which is Saint Matthew's day "Roslyn Revealed" (Butler, Ritchie) and the Winter Solstice("Uriel's Machine" Knight, Lomas). Both days seem important in this narrative. The winter solstice seems important with regards to the KRS. Possibly the hooked X pinpoints the particular day of the winter solstice???

      Anthony Warren

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  21. Scott thank you for your willingness to share what you observe, research and investigate. Given the same opportunity, I doubt that I would be as willing as you to engage in conversation with certain of the patrons of your publishing. People who are obviously obsessed with you "personally" and verify that with their vilification of you through criticism based on criteria they themselves ignore. Also their dissertations makes for (1) painful reading and (2) painfully boring reading. As a cure for what i percieve to be useless palaver, may I suggest that these people be granted honorary emeritus status in the field of unsubstantiated, personal criticism and, although they have no original research to provide scientific contridiction of your writings, they are obviously expert at copying those who claim to. I believe your recognition of their inestimable virtues and skills may be what they need and will perhaps quiet them in the future so the rest of us might engage in interesting and informative conversation. Thanks. I appreciate your efforts and my life is more interesting for them.

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  22. Dragon Slayer,

    You might want to look up "emeritus". "Honorary emeritus" is a contradiction in terms. Although I understand the need to vent, your post will simply be considered "fanboyism" by those you seek to criticize. I too enjoy Scott's blog but you're all over the shop here.

    Best Regards,

    Alex J. Hiddell

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  23. Hey Scott, you should look up the Vieira brothers. I've seen television shows recently where they've investigated the Dare stones, the possibility of giants once existing, and a mysterious stone chamber in New England. Sounds like they are both stone masons. Their expertise might be able to fill in any gaps you might have about the Overton Stone.

    W. S.

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    1. W.S.

      I appreciate the effort the brothers put into furthering the understanding of these various projects. However, I am not aware of anything they have done with the Overton Stone. In any case, I have a pretty good handle on this situation at the moment.

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  24. Dear Scott,
    I am a geologist and paleontologist who has mapped magnetically 24 square miles in the Wallkill River Valley of New York in the early 1990s. I discovered many anomalies as well as archaeological sites not previously recognized, including possible celestially oriented long barrows identical to those of England. If you are interested, please contact me at cornetbruce@yahoo.com . I have also magnetically mapped some of the Stone Chambers, the results of which were published in one of Imbrogno's books on Celtic Mysteries.

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  25. Dear Scott,

    My ex-wife Sharon and her Canadian husband just purchased a house in southwestern-most Nova Scotia, and your picture of the Overton Stone was taken on my birthday. Do you believe in synchronicity?

    One could also call me a forensic geologist, because of the amount of archaeological structures I have discovered in southern New York State using trace morphology and geologic structure apparent on topo maps to identify non-natural formations.

    Your interest in the Knights Templar in North America has also fascinated me with regard to how Philadelphia was laid out to match the Rennes-le-Chateau diagrams published by David Wood (1986) in his book, GenIsis. Yes, the history we have been taught is wrong, and someone wants to prevent the truth from being revealed.

    Go to my website called, The Original Sin, and discover how someone knew the area around Philadelphia with the Schulkill River closely resembled geographically the area defined by the Extended Pentagram and crescents and circles of Isis and Nut in France (in Wood's diagrams long before the Masons designed Philadelphia, requiring detailed prior knowledge of geography of both areas), which I published with permission at http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/esoteric/esoIntro.htm

    Dr. Bruce Cornet
    cornetbruce@yahoo.com

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  26. Scott, There is a link between the shape around the cross and that of Celtic faces. There is the Schuylkill Face and the face on the New Hampshire Mystery stone that are very similar. See the comments on this site:

    https://noahsage.com/new-hampshire-mystery-stone-of-lake-winnipesauke/

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    1. If you're saying there is a possible connection to the Scottish Templars or their Celtic predecessors I agree with you.

      It was found buried in the earth encased in clay not found in the area where it was discovered. Likely placed there as part of a ritual. Hard to say for sure.

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  27. Maybe you should study The Bible, before coming up with imaginary statements about Jesus. The Templars were priests, maybe their goal was to retrieve and keep safe the items from the Temple. And, I have an article about the death of a Templar in 1901, so they were still around. The babpcreek stone in Washington, deciphered by Dr.Arnold Murray was about 5 priests, written in Hebrew, found in a cave centuries ago. Or, are you just one of those trying to disprove God?

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    1. Anne,

      My one and only goal is to get to the truth based on factual evidence. Sometimes science and faith lead to different conclusions. This is not about attacking anyone's faith; only the individual can call that into question.

      God/Deity, or whatever you want to call it, has nothing to do with the truth about Jesus. I believe he was fully human, was married to Mary Magdalene, and they had at least two children together (likely named Judah and Sarah). You can certainly choose to not believe it, but in the end, my hope is we can agree to disagree about this point. When people do disagree, they should try not to take things personally, move on and focus on things they have in common.

      That's what Freemason's do and it's a good philosophy IMHO. BTW: the Templar's were never Catholic and they are still around.

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  28. Get to the TRUTH? You are soo far off.

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    1. Anne,

      You are free to believe what you want; that doesn't necessarily make if factually correct. All good.

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  29. Anne,

    Scott is correct. Catholics and Masons don't mix, like oil and water.

    Jesus had more than two children. Most European Blue Bloods descended from them. They preserved His chromosomes by arranged marriages until the woman who bore the male Child came along in 1950. Her father was a Mason. Her mother was Jewish. She died in 1991 as a Catholic at age 40, and fulfilled Rev.12. My book on her and the male Child is done and being prepared for publication.

    Isaiah 53:10-12 describes what happened to Jesus after the Cross.

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  30. Scott, I heard that you are holding out with your new Templar research until you are paid for a new television show. Don't you have enough money from your other shows left? Why not share your new discoveries with an accredited university? They might dedicate a building to you in perpetuity.
    -Georgia N. Mimine

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    1. Georgia,

      You didn’t “hear” anything, you read the hate blog of an uninformed alien science fiction writer who knows nothing about me or this line of research. Because of that, you smugly post an assertion and rude slights directed at me based on that B.S. The new Templar research will be released when it’s properly vetted and not before.

      Just what “accredited university” are you referring to? There isn’t one scholar on the planet that has any background knowledge to be able to deal the research we are currently working on. Further, I haven’t met a mainstream scholar I would trust to honestly and objectively weigh in on this material.

      Eventually, mainstream scholars will get their chance, but not until we are good and ready to release it.

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    2. Sorry Scott. So you are waiting on getting your work vetted before you divulge it? Seemed on this interview I heard you were waiting for a tv show to do so. But who will do the vetting if no scholar on the planet has any background knowledge?
      -G

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    3. G,

      There are very competent Masonic scholars helping with those aspects and others with the appropriate background and knowledge base to do the work. The facts will either vet out or they won't. So far, things are going very well.

      As I said, mainstream scholars will eventually get their shot. Unfortunately, most have proven to me they cannot be objective, scientific, and in several cases, exhibit intellectual honest, so we simply don't trust. Keep in mind, there are others involved in these projects and it isn't all up to me.

      Be patient my friend, it'll be worth the wait. I promise.

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  31. Hi Scott:

    I'm now pretty sure that your ideas about the Templars are valid. There is clear and increasing evidence that they made pre-Columbian trips to the Americas. Good luck on all of this and keep up the work. Lots of people are rooting for you and those who are so stridently against you show that you are on to something pretty important. Such resistance to new ideas only show how desperate others are to maintain the accepted mainstream beliefs. And that's what they are--beliefs.

    Dr. Greg Little

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    1. Dr. Little,

      The true narrative about the Templars is extensively documented on both paper and stone and is about to burst onto the scene with the new information.

      I wish people would stop relying on hater blogs and do their own research. Better yet, instead of trusting
      the uniformed, why not go directly to the source and ask me questions directly.

      In any case, thanks for taking the time to comment and for your encouragement.

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  32. earlier, you made mention a few times, that there are numerous books due out..are they all to be vetted? what does this vetting consist of and who has the qualifications to do it?

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    1. Anonymous,

      The vetting process has been arduous and lengthy. Unfortunately, you'll have to wait until the books are published to find out the details.

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    2. Whatever you do Scott, do not let whoever vetted your York Rite/KRS number comparison help you, as they were WAY off.

      ~Wendy

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    3. Wendy,

      Whatever do you mean by that? Are you saying you know more than some of the top Masonic scholars in the world?

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    4. I am saying you were wrong and anyone agreeing with you is too. I wrote a paper about it and got an A+. Your numbers didn't follow in the order you said they did and all I had to do was read your source to see how you messed it up. Don't you remember?

      ~Wendy

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    5. Wendy,

      First, I don;t know how you could know what the sequence of numbers is since the ritual book for that degree isn't available on-line.

      Second, the eight number sequence of 8, 22, 2, 1, 1, 10, 10 and 14 are on the KRS and occur in the ritual in sequence. fact.

      I remember you making that claim, but have seen nothing from you to support it.

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    6. Yes Scott. We went over this last year in August.

      ~http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/2016/07/kensington-rune-stone-inscription.html~

      I wasn't the only one that found it online and you seemed to agree that I had the right rite (lol!). You took out a 9 and a 3 to make it work and put them in another place. You also counted numbers that weren't there like how many people were named to make them fit. I thought you liked my corrections as your next paper only had the 8 and 22 being special. They are the only numbers on the rune stone that come in the same order in the York Rite (which has A LOT of numbers to pick from). But only two numbers in a row is probably just a coincidence. I thought maybe I had a part in helping you correct things.

      BTW, my mother thinks you're cute! A cutie-pa-tutie!

      ~Wendy

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    7. Wendy,

      With all due respect, your claims do (pardon the pun) not add up. The 9 and 3 were never “taken out” and have to do with the number of lines of text in the inscription that correlate with the times the “secret work” was performed. They are not part of the sequence of 8 numbers that follow in the same sequence within the degree.

      Sorry Wendy, but I stand behind the claim I made unless you can provide some tangible evidence to support your claims to the contrary. You might recall the first 4 numbers 8 + 22 + 2 (guards; Ashishar and Adoniram) = 32 (degrees in the Scottish Rite) + 1 (Zerubabbel) = 33. This is the sequence they occur in the degree and on the KRS. These sequential numbers appear in the Kabbala relate to the "Tree of Life." Their origin prior to that relates to the number of vertebrae in the human spinal column (32) with the skull being the 33rd which is achieved upon reaching the "highest level." But I digress...

      You might have to go back and revise your paper. Your teacher apparently needs a little coaching in the Kabbalah.

      Oh, and tell your mom I appreciate the compliment. 😊

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    8. Scott,

      The normal human spine has 33 vertebrae, not 32.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    9. Alex,

      Actually, sometimes it's 33, but typically it's 32. The confusion comes in counting the number of fused vertebrae in the tailbone. In any case, the number of vertebrae used in relation to the Kabbalah is 32.

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    10. Scott,

      Sorry but that's not what I learned in medical school. There's no confusion on this end. Most people have 4 vertebrae in their "tailbone" (coccyx). Some have 3, some have 5, a few have even more or less, but most have 4 for a total of 33. Counting vertebrae is not something where people can have different opinions. It sounds like you're cherry-picking a number that really doesn't exist or is at best an outlier. There are 32 teeth in a normal adult human mouth. Needless to say, the skull is not a vertebra.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    11. I'm sorry to do this Scott and I hope you won't hate me or be mean. But we did this before and my evidence is your source. It is not a fact that the order of the numbers is 8, 22, 2, 1, 1, 10, 10 and 14 for the York Rites. Here is how it actually is (which I told you a year ago)-

      {There were employed on the other eight Arches, twenty-two men from Gebal, a city of Phoenicia, together with Ahishar and Adoniram, all of whom were well skilled in the arts and sciences generally, but particularly in sculpture. Their hours of labor were from nine at night till twelve, the time when prying eyes are closed in sleep. During the erection of this Vault, a circumstance occurred which characterized this degree, and upon which the ceremony of initiation is founded.}

      So it is 8, 22, 9 and then 12. Again I am so sorry for maybe being trouble and it was 9 and 12 you took out of the order but they are there. But I am still a fan even though my teacher is not!

      ~Wendy

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    12. Alex,

      No need to apologize, but it sounds to me like you’re the one who’s cherry-picking for the sake of being argumentative. Fact is, my statement is correct if not in every case.

      I don’t recall claiming the skull was vertebrae? It’s allegorically supposed to represent the achievement a heightened sense of spirituality and knowledge. It houses the brain; get it?

      Geez…

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    13. Wendy,

      You've conveniently omitted acknowledging the two (2) guards (Ahishar and Adoniram) and inserted the hours of 9 and 12 when I have already accounted for them separately in the number of lines of text in the KRS inscription. Your claim ignores this in an apparent effort to play "Gotcha'."

      Sorry Wendy, we'll just to agree to disagree on your rather condescending claim, and that "A" you reportedly received from your teacher will have to be called into question by yours truly. Nothing personal of course...

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    14. Hello Scott, I cannot seem to follow your reasoning with this. If we are to assume the two guards are to be used as numerals rather than as they are named in the text, (Ahishar and Adoniram) shouldn't they (since they are named separately) be taken as 1,1 ??
      This would make the sequence of numbers 8,22,1,1,24,9,12,1,1,10,14
      the 24 coming from the term "all of them" which refers to Ahishar and Adoniram plus the twenty-two men from Gebal.

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    15. Scott,

      Sorry, but I didn't apologize. Sometimes "Sorry" is just a polite way of saying "You're talking out of your ass." I see now that you are like Humpty Dumpty: "Words mean what I want them to mean". Looking at the sky is an observatory, and "my statement is correct if not in every case".


      I'm really trying NOT to be argumentative but I'm hearing a lot of nonsense from your end.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    16. Alex,

      Of course you didn’t apologize because you aren’t sorry in the least. Further, you have no intention of trying to see things from my point of view so there is no longer anything productive for you here.

      Time to move on to a different blog. It was fun...

      About time for Wendy to chime in isn't it?

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    17. Anonymous,

      Nope, they are named together as a pair. That makes it the number two. You might recall the two number 1’s on the KRS are spelled out. This is why I use Ahishar and Adoniram as 2 and Zerubbabel as 1.

      It’s simple.

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    18. LOL Scott! Condescending? WOW. I am valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world. You can't say all your Kensington numbers are in order when you took out the 9 and 12. Because they fit elsewhere??? No Scott. You fit them elsewhere and this is silly. My teacher told me I was wasting my time here, but I am working on a new project and thank you for your help.

      ~Wendy

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    19. Wendy,

      Right on cue. No Wendy, I put them in their appropriate place and you are welcome to disagree and call it whatever you want. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

      Go get em' Tiger!

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  33. Dear Scott,

    You are correct that some of the participants in this blog are not familiar with all the literature available on the Knights Templar and Masons.

    When I wrote my online book called, Esoteric Notes: The Original Sin, I was aware that the Masons had an enormous amount of knowledge they had acquired from the Knights Templar about the Rennes-le-Chateau area of southern France, which enabled them to choose an area of southeastern Pennsylvania to lay out the City of Philadelphia (meaning "womb of Delphia, which is another name for Isis). They had to find an area which complement the region in the Valley of Rennes of France where huge sacred geometric diagrams are laid out, many identified by churches and towns.

    David Wood wrote the book, GenIsis, after mapping that region in France, discovering an enormous Extended Pentagram, which he recognized as representing the goddess Isis. The Masons brought that figure to Pennsylvania. My book, The Original Sin, reveals how they laid out suburbs and names of towns around Philadelphia to correspond to analogous names and places in Templar geometry. For example, Bryn Mawr, PA, corresponds to the mesa called Rennes-le-Chateau, and is the only "high ground" in the areas. Also the Schuylkill River snakes its way through the Masonic-Templar diagram in Philadelphia. By reversing the river, it can be seen to travel up through the legs of the goddess to impregnate her. The Masons even constructed a large mound on the east bank of the river to simulate the head of the Serpent (Set), which they named Mount Pleasant. Thus the question becomes, "Whose your Daddy Horus, Osiris or Set?"

    How did the Masons, who have since joined with the Knights Templar, know all of this if the Knights Templar had not mapped the northeast coast of North America long before Columbus?

    You are doing a great job! I love your show.

    Bruce Cornet, M.S., Ph.D., Penn State 1977

    BTW, my closest friend here is a 32nd degree Mason and a 7th degree York Knights Templar.

    http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/esoteric/esoIntro.htm

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  34. Scott,

    Readers of books and your blog know your feelings about the "peer review process" but this sounds like Nancy Pelosi and DACA! I just hope you will actually publish and not pull an Oscar Ichazo, promising for decades to publish! I really want to read the stuff you're working on now. Fingers crossed, hoping for the best!

    Best regards,

    Alex J. Hiddell

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      I appreciate your interest in the subject matter as well you should be. However, they'll be out when they are ready and it won't be years I can assure you.

      As I've said before, it'll be worth the wait.

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  35. Hi Dr. Little. Your Ed.D is for psychological counseling, isn't it? That must be a compelling field. Why did you abandon it?

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      Out of respect for Dr. Little, and everyone else here, please post using your real name if you expect an answer to a personal question. Quite frankly, it's none of your business.

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  36. Scott,

    I never realized how much Alan Butler looks like the teacher who kidnapped his female student. When I search for your name, Scott Wolter, a panel pops up showing what other people search for. The first picture is Alan, followed by what appears to be a mugshot of a pedophile. Due to the resemblance of Alan to the teacher, I thought it was a list of predators. I believe the mugshot is the author of the convoluted blog. I have to admit to glancing at it a couple of times for research purposes. There's really no merit to it whatsoever. The ludicrous articles are immediately followed by Scott Wolter bashing and mindless rants. The convoluted blog appears to be home base for all of your trolls with no comprehension of allegorical astronomy.

    Trolls,

    Romulus and Remus is Castor and Pollux. Rome was founded in Gemini. Quit bashing archeoastronomy when you can't comprehend precession.

    Just a man with a "lowly" BA,

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      Alan will laugh about the pedophile teacher resemblance as he has a great sense of humor. Unfortunately, the blog you are referring to has no humor or decency and it certainly is the haven for trolls that creep this blog and only chime in with ignorant and hateful comments under "Anonymous."

      You are quite right about their inability to understand precession or anything that even comes close to supporting my research. Unless comments are constructive and respectful, I flush them. I don't mind reasoned criticism or questions btw, but that's not how they operate. They know what the rules are here.

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    2. Anthony,

      With all due respect, calling someone a pedophile is a big red flag that you have nothing else. You might want to reconsider.

      With love,

      E. Mealy El

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    3. E. Mealy El,

      I don't think Anthony is calling anyone a pedophile just pointing out a resemblance that is actually pretty close. In any case, your point is well taken and I agree making associations with pedophiles can be misinterpreted. Anthony is a bright guy and I know he meant no harm.

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    4. "The first picture is Alan, followed by what appears to be a mugshot of a pedophile."

      "Alan will laugh about the pedophile teacher resemblance as he has a great sense of humor."

      I'm confused. Who's the guy in the second picture? Which one looks like a pedophile?

      With love,

      E. Mealy El

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    5. E. Mealy El,

      Alan looks like the mug shot of a teacher who kidnapped an underage student.

      Anthony would have to tell you who the second guy is; I'm confused too.

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    6. My bad. Meant to say two other pictures which look like mugshots as I described. One I believe to be the convoluted blog author, and the other are radio host. Due to the resemblance of Alan to the teacher, the whole list looked suspect. You can report back to troll headquarters, I meant no offense to the convoluted blog author, or Alan Butler.

      Anthony Warren

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  37. Scott i always watch and DVR your shows. Anything I can do to get history to run new episodes? I email them often. Love your work! Long time fan Bryan

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    1. Bryan,

      I'm glad you're enjoying the shows. We made a total of 39 episodes so if you haven't seen them all you should be able to find them on YouTube or at History.com's website or possibly ITunes.

      I appreciate you support.

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  38. Dear Scott,

    I have tried to post several comments and perhaps I am not doing something correctly, and the screen for robots was not working properly. Once I got an image with figures, and described them. that comment was posted. The others experienced problems. Perhaps what I said you want to keep private for now, which is OK. I don't want to steal any of your book's thunder.
    Is there a way I can send you a diagram or image. As you know, a picture is worth a thousand words.

    Bruce Cornet

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      I've been behind in getting posts up and responding; sorry about that. My email is swolter@amengtest.com

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  39. Hi Scott,

    I just noticed this blog entry on the Overton Stone. Thanks for making the trip up to inspect it and for doing geological analysis and related work. Your contributions are appreciated.

    In reading through the comments today, there were a couple of questions regarding what local people may have known about the stone. Unless a person has been to the site, without knowing about the carving in advance, most people will find this incredible, but the carving really is hiding in plain sight. Although it is carved on a widely visible face of a very prominently situated boulder, only a few yards away from a heavily used coastal path, most people simply don't notice that there is a carving there, and until it recently received wide public attention on TV, literally only a handful of local folks knew that there was a carving on that boulder.

    The most compelling story of that nature (and I could quote several) is when I showed the site to two of the top geologists in Nova Scotia (Christopher White and Sandra Bar). When we parked our cars and started walking, they explained to me that the have been coming to this very site several time a year, hiking this very path, often with a group of other geologists and students, specifically inspecting the rocks in the area for geological characteristics, and in particular trace fossils, yet they had never noticed any carving on that boulder until I showed it to them.

    The earliest report of someone actually seeing the carving that I have been able to find so far is from 1955, by Donald Nickerson when he was a young boy playing in the area. The carving made a big impression on him and he assumed it was made by the "Indians." When he was later in his late teens, he took a more serious interest in the carving, and searched out the local elders who were local historians to see what was known about it. None of them had ever heard about it, but the most senior of them told him that it was probably very important, and the best way to protect it would be to keep it as quiet as possible, which he subsequently did.

    I think I have already sent you a copy of my paper on the Overton Stone, but if any of your blog readers would like to see a copy, a PDF version of the article is freely available at this link:

    http://www.neara.org/index.php/neara-where-and-when/chapters-menu/atlantic-canada-menu

    I'm glad that you have found an archaeologist who is able to do further investigation of the site. Please give him/her my contact as I would be very pleased to make additional details available and to provide any assistance that I can.

    Regards,
    Terry

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    1. Hi Terry,
      I saw the photo of the carvings from the first notice in 2009 and it now looks much more weathered. You'd think if it had been there for either decades or centuries, it wouldn't look so different from only eight years ago. Also do you have more information concerning Mr. Nickerson? Is he alive? Can anyone else verify his account?

      Genuinely intrigued,
      A. Treacher

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    2. A. Treacher,

      Can you provide a link to the 2009 photos you mention? I would be particularly interested in seeing them.

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    3. Didn't you read Terry's paper linked above? It's on page 24. http://www.neara.org/images/OvertonStone.pdf

      All the best,
      A. Treacher

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    4. A. Treacher,

      Yes, I read Terry's article a couple of years ago at the time he wrote it, but didn't notice the color difference in the carvings that is apparent here. I see exactly what you see and understand why you think it is related to weathering, and might very well be. However, I have played around with the sample I collected at the site that exhibits quite a bit of the very light colored weathering on the surface.

      While I haven't had time to examine a thin section yet due to our being swamped with work in the lab this time of year, I did cut and polish the sample. Right away I noticed that when wet the white color of the weathered, original surface darkens significantly. This could explain the contrast in darkness of the carved areas in the earlier photos.

      The carvings will look different when they are wet being noticeably darker. This is a really good point you've brought up and something I'll take a closer look at as my investigation into the weathering aspects of the carvings continues.

      You get a big "Atta boy" for that one.

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    5. Scott is right. When examined in person, the weathering is not visibly progressing over the period that I have been studying it. However, the color of the surface as seen in photographs does vary a lot with humidity, ambient illumination, and photographic exposure.

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    6. Regarding Donald Nickerson, yes he is alive, and in later years he purchased the property on which the Overton Stone is found, and is in fact the current property owner. He has sign-posted the site "no trespassing" now and sincerely does not want any publicity or visitation to the site. He and other members of his family actively supervise and oversee the site as best as they can.

      No other eye-witness account of seeing the carving, that I have been able to find so far, goes back even close to 1955, and I have canvassed a lot of people, and recruited a lot of them to canvass further on my behalf.

      I am personally quite confident in the genuine antiquity of the carving.

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  40. Oh, there was also a comment or two about what the Mi'kmaq may have known about this carving. I have a lot of contacts in the Mi'kmaw community, who have a lot of cultural and historical knowledge. They are all very interested in this carving, but none of them knew anything about it before I brought it to their attention.

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  41. Dear Scott,

    The new replies by Wendy and Alex do not show up on this blog. Has a new blog been started, or have you not yet posted those comments?

    After reading your article on The Ritual Code of the Kensington Rune Stone, the question that comes to mind: To what end did the author of that inscription make references to 8, 22, 2, 1, 1, 10, 10 and 14? Was it like a chant or spell or ritualistic repetition encoded in a mundane story, or did it have another purpose? Your comparisons to the Kabbala, Torah, and Ten Commandments makes the story seem like a supplication to God for safe passage and favor?

    You state in your paper: "tradition Qabbalistic scholars maintain is found in the Torah. Quoting Kaplan, “According to the Kabbalists, these 32 paths are alluded to in the Torah by the 32 times that God’s name Elohim appears in the account of creation in the first chapter of Genesis. In this account, the expression “God said” appears ten times, and these are the Ten Sayings with which the world was created. These ten sayings parallel the ten Sefirot."

    What I focused on was the number sequence you give, and why others have wanted to include 3 and 9 and 12, which you do include as a separate set.

    You state: Based on this, and with the chronology of the Hiram Abiff legend in proper place, we can now put the numbers in place that incredibly result in the exact same sequence as they appear on the Kensington Rune Stone inscription, 8, 22, 2, 1, 1, 10, 10 and 14.

    In a reply you state: The first four numbers (8, 22, 2, and 1) appear in sequence and add up to 32, then 33, the total number of paths, or emanations, in the Kabbalah Tree of Life which is the origin of the number of degrees in Scottish Rite Masonry. These are documented facts. Further, this numerical sequence is directly connected to ancient Hebrew mysticism, another fact. These facts are not coincidence and I would hope you can acknowledge that?

    For those with eyes and training in esoteric coding, I understand the use of all these numbers, but to what end other than telling an informed reader or Mason that the Kensington rune script was written by a Knights Templar or Scottish Rites Mason?

    Is there something that such cognition or gnosis would then lead to? 3, 9, and 12 are very important numbers in the Judeo-Christian and Baha'i faiths, and mean something else than the numbers 7, 11, 13, and 64.

    Why do I bring up 64? In numerology YHWH = 64; Israel = 64; and True = 64. Has anyone wondered where the $64,000 dollar question came from?

    I should hope Wendy and Alex will reconsider your arguments.

    Bruce Cornet

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    1. Bruce,

      All of Wendy and Alex's comments have been posted and responded to as recently as last night; you have scroll up a ways to find them. To be frank, I have doubts they are legitimate posters. There is a cabal of trolls who frequently post anonymously here, or under fake names, and I suspect this might be the case with these two. The "I got an "A" in school deconstructing your paper by my teacher" is a little too precious for me. The timing and content of these posts are predictable and consistent with the 'troll tradition' my blog experiences.

      Therefore, there is no reason to ask them to reconsider their arguments for they are not here to sincerely or respectfully learn or debate; it's a complex game of "gotcha'" that is their want. I could be wrong about this of course, but I don't think so.

      In any case, it's obvious to me you legitimately understand these esoteric concepts and the connections I've made with the KRS inscription. As to what the ultimate purpose was of the numbers and codes consistent with ancient Hebrew (and Eastern and Egyptian) mysticism, I think it was at least two-fold.

      First, it was a hidden way (for those with the eyes to see...) of asking Deity (along with the Dating Code) to protect the vitally important land claim the medieval Templars buried in what is now Minnesota. The acknowledgement of Deity also was a way of asking to protect their overall mission of establishing the "Free Templar State" that was their ultimate goal.

      Second, it appears there is navigational information embedded within the inscription that people like Patrick Sheckleton has discovered. Perhaps he may want to chime in?

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    2. Uh, there are 22 paths in the Tree of Life, not 32.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hidell

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    3. Alex,

      Actually, there are 32 emanations which could also be considered paths. No gotcha' this time pal. At least you're consistent, but you must realize being rigid in your thinking will never enable you understand any of this.

      Chill bra...

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    4. Hi Bruce. Thank you for at least being nice, but Scott is still wrong on this. And he is wrong on a lot about me. I came here over a year ago and told Scott he was a hero for helping the Pentagon after 9/11. Then I found a mistake he made. You can't say all the numbers on the York Rites match the numbers on the Kensington stone in exact order if you have to leave some out and move them around. He said last year that the part about the 9 and 12 were in another whole paragraph. I showed you they weren't and they came right after the 8 and 22. THAT IS NOT EXACT ORDER. I wasn't being stupid about it and I thought he liked what I told him as he just went on about 8 and 22 next. This is silly. He is being mean to me and I am trying to help him. I was SO mad when I read what he wrote about me. But I am not going to be mean back. I hope he says he is sorry before I go for good.

      ~Wendy

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    5. Wendy,

      I’m not being mean to you; I’m trying to get you to understand the way I figured this out. I understand what you did and that’s fine. However, it doesn’t mean my work is “wrong” as you claim. What is frustrating is you refuse to even try to understand how and why I wrote what I did. The eight numbers in sequence are all part of the narrative in both the ritual and the inscription; the 9 + 3 = 12 is not. It relates to the number of lines in the inscription and is separate from the other numbers.

      I’m sorry if I offended you.

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  42. Terry Deveau's comments are very relevant, and bring to mind how filtered the human mind can be on hiding things in plain sight. I have experienced this in my hunt for fossils. If my mind has not been programmed to search for a particular form or shape, I have looked directly at a fossil and not seen it. I then realized that I had to place an example of that type of fossil on the ground or against an outcrop (one which I had collected previously), so that my mind will know what to look for. After doing that, I start seeing fossils all over the place. Knowing this is probably why so few people were familiar with the Overton Stone carvings.

    The problem now is that with so much notoriety, there will be those who will try to collect those inscriptions for themselves or to sell on ebay, or destroy them to keep the truth from gaining more awareness.

    The oldest humanoid footprints exposed on the island of Crete, and dated to 2.5 million years old, were damaged when someone chiseled out several of them.

    Dinosaur tracks exposed at the Roseland quarry in New Jersey, and which were protected by the State, declaring that site as a protected park, were removed by vandals, despite being fenced off and labeled by park rangers as exhibits for the public.

    Thank you Scott and Janet for documenting the carvings and at least preserving them in photographs. I pray that the local people and government will take efforts now to protect the Overton Stone.

    Bruce Cornet

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  43. Nice information, Terry. Thanks for sharing more details. Your paper on the Overton Stone is well worth reading, I recommend it to all.

    Scott, which geodetic/navigation element should we start with? The Megalithic Yard, the 1362 Arabic Mile reduction, the 8-22 KRS longitude, the 22-8 latitude placement for the KRS, the 24.5 to 22.1 obliquity reduction, the side inscription return to Narragansett Bay, the first layer 10 men red with blood return home, the Temple Mount 8-22 from midpoint, the KRS/SPR landscape placement, the Newport Tower Megalithic Yard, or maybe something else that the team has worked on? Google Earth Professional is a free download. Will do it tonight after work. Patrick

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    1. The 1362 Arabic mile reduction please?

      Anthony Warren

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  44. Scott,

    I've checked out the site Bruce is drawing attention. There is a picture of a painting of a woman kneeling before a skull. You should really take a look at her hand gesture. Her hands are clasped in a very familiar symbol. I've been paying attention to hand gestures for years and this is the first time I've seen it. The M sign or W sign supposedly for "Word of God" pops up quite often, as well as the gestures displayed by DaVinci in the Last Supper. My jaw dropped when I saw the hand gesture this woman is making.

    One other key point made was in regards to the number 681 and the Pythagorean theorem. 1/2 of 1362 is 681 and I remember somebody commenting about a circle with these dimensions. I haven't been able to find the comment and don't recall which thread it was on. I don't have the time to fully explain what I'm visualizing nor the mathematical expertise.

    Anthony Warren

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  45. Dear Anthony,

    When you looked at my web book, Esoteric Notes, The Original Sin, did you find the page on 681 Pythagorean triangle, which Wood and Campbell discuss in their books, GenIsis (1986) and GeneSet (1995)? I am fascinated by how the various ancient standards of measurement are all interconnected, and go back to the Minoan civilization. Knight and Butler reveal all of this in their 2004 book, Civilization One. The number sequence 8, 22, 2, 1, 1, 10, 10 and 14 begins with 8, 22, 2, and 1. If you add the three 2s together, you get 8 6 1, which is a rearrangement of 6 8 1. Anthony showed that 1/2 of 1362 is 681. If you take 1362 and add the 6 and 2, you get 138, which is the numerological equivalent of Spirit of God, and Lord of Lords.

    Check out http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/esoteric/esotri681.htm

    Wood says in the caption to Figure 5, This is a special case in the Pythagorean triangle, whereby the length 6-8-10 correspond to the Sines of their angles, .6-.8-1.0. As the reader will later realize, it was the sickening simplicity of this triangle - 681 which was the key to showing us that Sine values could be used to convey linear measure regardless of which unit the discoverer happened to be handicapped by at the time.

    Bonnie Gaunt in her book, "Jesus Christ the Number of his Name", has shown that the phrase "Lord Jesus Christ" in Greek gematria converts to 3168.

    Lord = 800
    Jesus = 888
    Christ = 1480
    - TOTAL 3168"

    Note there are six 8s, and 8 is the symbol of Venus, the Goddess Isis. We are dealing with sacred number combinations here!

    Bruce Cornet

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    1. Isn't that just a 3-4-5 triangle, or a 9-12-15 triangle, or a 6,000-8,000-10,000 triangle? How do the sines of the angles tell you anything about length?

      Puzzled.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    2. Bruce,

      With the exceptions of the woman's hand gesture, and the 681 relationship to the Pythagorean theorem, I am familiar with the rest of the information. The pentagonal geometry was created using the 72 degree angle between the sun and the moon. The star and the satellite are The Architects there.

      I've been trying to figure out for myself how the Templars navigated with such precision. If you've got the best navigation, you essentially control trade. I believe the Pythagorean theorem could be used to navigate between the two Tropics with a predetermined North/South line. This is my working theory anyway. The 681 seemed relevant to the 1362 date code of the KRS.

      It's kind of disrespectful to Scott, repeatedly plugging your site on his Blog. Once was sufficient. I'm surprised you'd want to invite the Troll Patrol into your world.

      Anthony Warren

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  46. Alex,

    When I read Wood and Campbell's books, it was the ratios of lengths in geometric diagrams that they used to defined geographic markers on the ground. They corresponded to sacred geometry figures and the golden proportion, triangle and square. With a portion of a geometric diagram figured out, through these Sign ratios Wood was able to locate other geographic markers and complete the diagram of overlapping circles, male axis, boat crescent of Isis and ark crescent of Nut, Extended Pentagram, and Star of David to recognize the Star Union or mating of god and goddess - all laid out over hundreds of square miles. Whoever laid out these giant figures, like the Nazca lines, intended them to be discovered thousands of years into the future. The Knights Templar became the guardians of this knowledge when they went to the Holy Land during the Crusades. They then commissioned towns and churches to be built at key places on the diagrams as a way of defining and locating them. Wood, a cartographer, mapped the Rennes Valley, and discovered the diagrams, which intersect the Paris Meridian, the oldest established Longitudinal marker, needed to navigate the seas. That meridian continues north to Paris and then to the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland. Important cathedrals were build along it to mark its path. Its significance is revealed in The Da Vinci Code movie. Those diagrams and Paris Meridian were so important to the Templars, that they replicated the Egyptian figures in America, designing the City of Philadelphia around them. My web book, Esoteric Notes, The Original Sin, reveals those diagrams and how I discovered them.

    So who is responsible for the original layout of figures in France, which can only be seen (defined) in full scale from 80 miles above the Earth? Read Wood and Campbell's 1995 book, GeneSet, for answers. I'll give you a clue: Zep Tepe and the time when the sky gods lived on Earth, at the beginning of human history. Gobekli Tepe is involved, as is the Ice God, Osiris.

    Bruce Cornet

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    1. "...which intersect the Paris Meridian, the oldest established Longitudinal marker, needed to navigate the seas. That meridian continues north to Paris and then to the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland."

      Because meridians run north-south and no part of Scotland is directly north of Paris that is simply not true.

      I would be interested in hearing more about how Osiris is an Ice God.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    2. I see now that the Shetlands, famous for centuries as being a place where Rosslyn Chapel is not located, are indeed due north of Paris. So my statement was correct if not in every case.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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    3. Alex,

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      You are correct that the Rosslyn Chapel is not in line with the Paris Meridian, but that the Paris Meridian was later extended to the Shetland Islands: In the early 19th century, the Paris meridian's arc was recalculated with greater precision between Shetland and the Balearic Islands by the astronomer François Arago, whose name now appears on the plaques or medallions tracing the route of the meridian through Paris...

      Philip Coppens in his online article taken from his book: The Stone Puzzle of Rosslyn Chapel, A Rosslyn Meridian?, states: Some researchers have suggested the possibility that Rosslyn was part of a larger complex. For example: should we look into the idea that Rosslyn might be connected to Roseline, a meridian that is believed to have been the nickname of the French Zero meridian?

      Regarding Osiris as the Ice God, you will either need to read GeneSet by Wood and Campbell, or visit my reference to their Figure 23 at http://www.sunstar-solutions.com/AOP/esoteric/esoBryn.htm under Clues to a Sacred Mystery. Wood and Campbell call the god Set the Ice God after translating Fig. 22 to create an anagram: I C E G O D. They speculate that it refers to an icy comet which will hit the Earth, as implied in the cover to their book, GeneSet (meaning genes of Set).

      What I discovered after publications of data on the Ice Cores from Antarctica was a climatic fluctuation during the last Wisconsinian Ice Age of world temperatures that fluctuated from colder to warmer on an average periodicity of 5,140 years. I counted 21 such half cycles (hemicycles) in the graph for the temperature fluctuations over the 108,000 year-long Wisconcinian Ice Period. I then realized that this period of fluctuation corresponds to the Mayan Long Year, which if true means that the Mayans were aware of the climate history of the last ice age. This may seem outrageous, but then I discovered that the dynastic Egyptians were also given data on the last Ice Age, and provided scientific graphs, which they converted into mythological stories.

      The most spectacular was the graph showing the sarcophagus of Osiris sliding down a slope into the underworld. Where there were sudden changes in the rate of descent, to the left were symbols for a Megatzunami (rearing cobras placed one after another). The first such flood shows a snake with legs waling on land, but the next two show boats floating on top of the tsunamis. Hancock in his book, Underworld (2002) gives us scientific data on three sudden rises in sea level that destroyed reefs at 14.2K, 11.5K, and 7.6K, which I then thought the Egyptians were depicting on the graph of Osiris descending into the underworld.

      Then I began looking for more scientific graphs in disguise as mythological stories, and found the one depicting Osiris's Intestines. I recognized that this might not be what it seems, and could be depicting the last three hemicycles of the last Ice Age, which would take us back to about 30K years ago, the time calculated for when the gods ruled Egypt before 6,000 years ago.

      In that graph one can see a depiction of the dead Osiris lying on a slope between the four loops, formed by a serpent. The serpent I realized referred to time, because the dead Osiris was raising his arm to grasp the head of that serpent, which was rising to begin another series of loops (climatic cycles for the next Ice Age in 11,000 years).




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      Thus we have a story of Set killing Osiris, and later Osiris being resurrected. But in between Set rules after killing his brother. That interlude looked a lot like our Holocene Interglacial Period, meaning that Set took the place of Osiris as Ice God, and is therefore the ruler until Osiris returns from the dead.

      Crazy idea, right? How could the ancient Egyptians know about an ice age that they never experienced, which occurred at a time when writing and recording did not exist? But then too, how could ancient maps from the 15th century depict Antarctica before modern man discovered it, and when Antarctica was without ice?

      I have been developing a theory to explain all of this, and am looking for someone who is interested enough to consider it.

      Osiris may have existed as an extraterrestrial "god", but a lot has been attributed to him in mythology, and passed on to us in stories that would preserve the truth. The four loops of the Osiris's Intestines graph are given iconic names of four Horus's sons: Horus (hawk), Seth (dog), Sekhmet (lion), and Kufu (man), representing the 18th through 21st and last hemicycles of the Wisconsinian Ice Age. My theory proposes that the Giza pyramid project began during the 20th cycle, but was interrupted by a great flood. It resumed and was completed in the 21st cycle. If the builders were so interested in time that they recorded geologic events, as we label and record geologic events, then the the head of the Sphinx was changed from that of Sekhmet to that of Kufu. I have age dated the Osiris's Intestines graph based on the Antarctic Ice Cores, for anyone interested in seeing the evidence.

      Bruce Cornet

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    5. Snake/serpent symbolism was also used for obliquity/ecliptic/axial tilt representation.

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    6. Bruce,,,,This statement by Philip Coppens
      " Some researchers have suggested the possibility that Rosslyn was part of a larger complex. For example: should we look into the idea that Rosslyn might be connected to Roseline, "
      is complete and utter speculation. How can you possibly use that statement to present this " That meridian continues north to Paris and then to the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland." as factual ? The speculation doesn't even say Rosslyn is on the roseline, only connected to it.

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    7. So if you don't get easy stuff like "That meridian continues north to Paris and then to the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland" right, that makes everything else pretty dubious.

      And the ancient Egyptians had an anagram that spells ICEGOD ?

      The reasonable assessment would be that you don't read Egyptian and you've cherry-picked data, especially when you're so seemingly comfortable with starting out with something factually wrong and easily falsifiable.

      Best regards,

      Alex J. Hiddell

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  47. “Year 1362”
    Use this web application, http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html, draw a 1362 English Statute Mile rhumb line north from the KRS discovery location (45.810836°, -95.661242°). Your endpoint will be 65.523333°, -95.661111°. This was an interesting endpoint because it will nearly exactly match the Arctic Circle’s position when the Earth’s axial tilt reaches its maximum endpoint value of 24.5° ~ 11,000 years from today. The 1362 ESM endpoint sits 2.595 km (1.6124582 ESM) north of 65.5° latitude.

    This intersection was the impetus behind performing a numerical reduction of the 1908-established Range of the Obliquity of the Ecliptic (Axial Tilt) of Simon Newcomb. The values established by Newcomb specified an axial tilt range of 24.5° to 22.1°. The mid-point of this 2.4° range is 1.2° (23.3°).

    The numerical reduction paralleled, in a fashion, the manner in which specific values of the obliquity were expressed spanning from Ptolemy up to the late Middle Ages (I didn’t fix the end date specifically). The manner of expression was the degrees of separation between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. I thought, ‘Why not perform a mathematical mean reduction between the Arctic Circle and the Tropic of Cancer and see what those results might show?’

    Two versions of the reduction were performed using the 1908-established Newcomb values. One reduction returned the value of 45.8° when the axial tilt was at its 20,500 year half-cycle value of 22.1°. The 1898-discovered KRS was located at 45.810836°, which is a slight offset to the north by 1.205 km (0.74875229 ESM).

    If one draws a 1362 ESM rhumb line from this 45.8° endpoint, the endpoint is 65.512500°, -95.661111°. This endpoint is still offset slightly to the north of the Arctic Circle’s 65.5° position (1.39 km/0.863706 ESM).

    That a 1362 ESM rhumb line from the KRS discovery location happened to intersect the position of the Arctic Circle as it will be positioned some ~ 11,000 years from today is interesting.

    Almost as interesting as the 43.80° latitude showing up on another version of the reduction spreadsheet as an endpoint. The 43.80° value is 5.904 km/3.6685755 ESM north of the latitude, 43.746903°, where the Spirit Pond Runestones were discovered.

    We performed a comparative analysis of the 1908 Newcomb values against the 1873 Stockwell values (there were two value ranges in that year from Stockwell), the 1825 LaPlace values, and the 1801 Laplace values. The 1873/1825/1801 range of obliquity values, when reduced, blow up against the Stockwell values which pinpoint the KRS and SPR latitude positions. These spreadsheets and accompanying analysis have been posted on Facebook since February 2017. Over two billion active users each month on Facebook, according to the latest statistics.

    The 45.8° latitude was the targeted latitude for the KRS based on the reduction of the 24.5°-22.1° range of the obliquity. This assertion is buttressed by a second piece of evidence – the 292° curve intersection on the inner diameter wall of the Newport Tower. A 292° Great Circle bearing line from the NT intersects the KRS longitude exactly 1.38 miles south of where the KRS was discovered, at a latitude of 45.790833°. This is a 0.009167° offset.

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  48. The Arabic Mile, by documented historical accounts, was 4000 cubits in length. In a well-known 9th century account, a survey was conducted to confirm previous measures of the distance separating any two adjacent degrees of latitude. As lines of latitude are all equidistant from each other, the accurate establishment of the distance between any two adjacent lines of latitude would establish, by extension, the polar circumference of the Earth. Given that the predominant point of view that the Earth was a perfect spheroid, the polar circumference would thus translate into the equatorial circumference, as well. As lines of longitude began converging north and south of the Equator as they traveled to their respective poles, the diminishing distance for any two adjacent lines of longitude as they converged could be determined by mathematical calculation.

    The distance separating two adjacent degrees of latitude was established at 56 2/3 Arabic Miles.

    1362/56.67 Arabic Mile Units = 24.03 Arabic Mile Units
    As we are up at the 65.5° latitude, we now subtract 24.03 Arabic Mile Units.
    65.5 – 24.03 Arabic Mile Units = 41.47.
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    As an Arabic Mile Unit of 56.67 is equivalent to 1° of latitude, our 41.47 number is effectively a latitude.

    Newport Tower latitude is 41.485819°.
    41.485819° - 41.47° = 0.015819°.

    KRS : 1362 : 24.03 Arabic Mile Units : 65.5° : 41.47° NT Latitude
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    Given that we now have two latitude values in the Newport area, one being the 41.47° calculated latitude and the second being the 41.485819°, latitude of the NT, let’s see if there might be any other objects that would suggest a “bracketing” effect. This is merely an investigative approach.

    The placement of the 2010-discovered IN HOC SIGNO VINCES stone along the shore of Newport Harbor is one candidate. Its latitude of 41.498853° creates, hypothetically, a 3’ latitude “bracket” with the Newport Tower nearly exactly in the center of the “bracket”.

    There is, currently, no specific secondary information that supports a “bracketing” approach for the placement of the Newport Tower. That being said, we do find that a “bracketing” methodology illustrated on the Cremona Document Nova Scotia Map , and in a recently published work on the Cremoma Document, the author stated that there is a map showing Narragansett Bay.
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    By virtue of a remarkable coincidence, the difference in latitude between the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and the Temple Church (Balantrodoch) in Scotland (near Rosslyn Castle) is 24.03° (therefore, analogous to the 1362 value). What, if any, significance this has to the KRS/SPR/NRS/NT is not altogether clear.

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  49. This is another question for Terry. As Donald Nickerson now owns the property where the stone is located, wouldn't that make him biased? With no other witnesses or corroboration to his story, I would be highly skeptical of his account.

    All the best,
    A. Treacher

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  50. Bruce, you wrote:

    "You are correct that the Rosslyn Chapel is not in line with the Paris Meridian, but that the Paris Meridian was later extended to the Shetland Islands: In the early 19th century, the Paris meridian's arc was recalculated with greater precision between Shetland and the Balearic Islands by the astronomer François Arago, whose name now appears on the plaques or medallions tracing the route of the meridian through Paris..."

    To suggest that the Paris Meridian, as it continued north, became some pseudo-meridian of the Shetland Islands is cow manure. There are, potentially, a zillion meridians that span the globe from pole to pole - at all depends on how thinly you want to segment the Earth. Amidst these potential zillion meridians there are some special ones - these are the ones that were used as a reference meridian, in common vernacular they are ascribed to as Prime Meridians. A reference meridian, to serve as an effective PM, had to have astronomical positions fused that that locale's longitude. This could be done two ways: direct observation or by taking another locale's data, determine the longitude and latitude deltas from the borrowed locale, and then computationally correct it to the new locale's geodetic position. The latter is how we find the Toledan Tables propagating across Europe. The second requirement to ascertain that any specific meridian was used as a reference meridian is that evidence must exist that shows geodetic points on the Earth were referenced to it - values (typically longitude). I have not run across any coordinate data set that suggests the Shetland Islands were a reference meridian. That you suggest the Paris Meridian at present-day longitude of 2;20 E somehow was, or became, co-joined with the Shetland Islands (0;43 W), and therefore the "Paris Meridian" and "Shetland Meridian" are one and the same...well, you need to go back and critically re-think your assertion...or provide evidence for what I spoke of before. Asserting that the aforementioned meridians - which are 3 degrees, 03 minutes offset from each other - are connected...I am not going to finish the sentence.

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  51. Alex,

    You are holding me to the fire for what others have said. This blog is to debate various ideas that already exist. I copied information from Wikipedia and Coppens. I am not the one who is suggesting that the Shetland Islands are part of a reference meridian. That was done by others. Those islands appear to be in line with the Paris Meridian, and others have investigated this in the 19th century.

    Wikipedia: In the early 19th century, the Paris meridian's arc was recalculated with greater precision between Shetland and the Balearic Islands by the astronomer François Arago, whose name now appears on the plaques or medallions tracing the route of the meridian through Paris (see below). Biot and Arago published their work as a fourth volume following the three volumes of "Bases du systÚme métrique décimal ou mesure de l'arc méridien compris entre les parallÚles de Dunkerque et Barcelone" (Basis for the decimal metric system or measurement of the meridian arc comprised between Dunkirk and Barcelona) by Delambre and Méchain.[6]
    In the second half of the 19th century, Carlos Ibåñez e Ibåñez de Ibero directed the survey of Spain.[7] From 1870 to 1894 the Paris meridan's arc was remeasured by Perrier and Bassot in France and Algeria.[4] In 1879, Carlos Ibåñez e Ibåñez de Ibero for Spain and François Perrier for France executed the junction of the Spanish geodetic network with Algeria.[8] This connection was a remarkable enterprise where triangles with a maximum length of 270 km were observed from mountain stations over the Mediterranean Sea.[4] The triangulation of France was then connected to those of Great Britain, Spain and Algeria and thus the Paris meridian's arc measurement extended from Shetland to the Sahara.[8]

    Thank you for your contribution.

    Bruce Cornet

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  52. Patrick and Alex,

    I was of the opinion that the Rosslyn Chapel was considered as a continuation of the arrangement of cathedrals along the Paris Meridian. I am not arguing your point, Patrick. But you too have chosen to ignore information regarding the Shetland Islands, which have been considered by others to be on line with the extension of the Paris Meridian. Alex, if you have not read how Wood and Campbell came to their conclusion that Set was the Ice God or the Serpent in the Sky (ice comet), I suggest you do so.
    Also consider my evidence that Osiris and Set may have represented the Egyptian concept of Glacial and Interglacial periods. In my above interpretation of the Osiris's Intestine graph on page 258 of Tompkins' Secrets of the Great Pyramid, I suggest that it could represent the geological/time history of the last 30,000+ years, extended to predict the recurrence of another Ice Age with the resurrection of Osiris. That is why I call Osiris the Ice (Age) God, and Set the Interglacial God who terminated the ice age. Wood and Campbell thought Set represents a comet that killed Osiris, after having deciphered the Rennes-le-Chateau geographic Earth diagrams to find what they thought was an encoded anagram: I C E G O D.

    The Paris Meridian issue is not important to the Kensington Rune Stone mystery. My error apparently touched a nerve based on the extent of your response, Patrick. I am not the originator of this idea or error. Perrier, Bassot, Ibåñez e Ibåñez de Ibero, and Perrier of the late 19th century are. Thank you for correcting my statement regarding the location of the Rosslyn Chapel. Let's move on.

    Bruce Cornet

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  53. Thank you, Patrick!

    You've given me quite a bit of food for thought. I believe, I might have figured out a practical use for a familiar symbol.

    The only "Rose" I am aware of in regards to Rosslyn is the "Rosebud Window" which captures the light of Venus and the Sun on September 17th.

    Anthony Warren

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  54. Scott,

    Is there any evidence of the Attabash Cipher being used in the KRS?

    Anthony Warren

    Just saw on the news, Google will be using balloons to replace damaged cell towers in Puerto Rico. This is how Tesla planned on sending his wireless power. COOL!!!!

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  55. Bruce,
    Thanks for responding. That you are not the originator is agreed, but you then took what was written and morphed it into a conversation point that was flawed – creating an association that doesn’t exist. Not your intent, but it happened. I say that fully admitting that I am not immune from that type of error, as well.

    Regardless of what has been written in the past, the association of the Shetland Islands BEING ON THE Paris Meridian (and by extension, Rosslyn, as you discuss) is faulty. With you including the Wikipedia entry in your reply, it is clear to see how those landform areas came to be discussed with the Paris Meridian. Surveying in the 18th century was done using geodetic triangulation – establishing a baseline meridian and then constructing a network of measured triangles. There are several books published by the US Coastal Survey (forerunner of the USGS) that discuss exactly how this method was employed in the US (go to archive dot org or Google Books). It seems probable that the Shetland Islands association with the Paris Meridian came about because it was used as one of the triangulation locations for the Paris re-survey.

    The Paris Meridian actually does come into play with respect to the Kensington Runestone, albeit in an interesting way. The Cremona Document Nova Scotia Map uses a longitudinal baseline that corresponds to the Paris Meridian. Skeptics will aver that the C-doc maps are of a) unproven provenance, b) they are a hoax, and c) then they will submit that the Paris Meridian wasn’t a reference meridian until the 18th century. The details answering a) have not come out fully, b) is an opinion based on Wikipedia scholars, and c) denotes a magna cum laude Wikipedia scholar. The Cremona Document NS map is a survey map – and it is quite old. What most folks do, and this certainly includes skeptics, is they take a superficial look at the visual presentation of the map, compare it to Medieval Era maps, and then proclaim that there is no way it could have originated in that period of time. What they fail to do is to deconstruct the map and determine the information that the various geodetic symbols and lines of longitude/latitude convey.

    Here is some reading material for the Paris Meridian that isn’t on Wikipedia:

    "Early Alfonsine Astronomy in Paris: The Tables of John Vimond (1320)":
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