Saturday, April 8, 2017

Correction Needed In Zena Halpern's New Templar Book

On page 218 of Zena Halpern's new book about her decade-long research about a secret Templar document titled, The Templar Mission to Oak Island and Beyond, there are two mistakes that directly involve me that need to be corrected.  Beneath the photograph of what the author calls a "Paleo-Hebrew Carving" she wrote the following, "Geologist Scott Wolter tested the rock at a university laboratory and concluded, based on the weathering, that this carving was at least "many centuries old.""

First, the stone was not examined in a university laboratory, it was examined in my materials forensic laboratory at American Petrographic Services, Inc., in St. Paul Minnesota, in 2006.  This error is minor compared to the second error that deals with her reporting of my conclusion.  I did not conclude the weathering of the inscription on this stone was "many centuries old" because I was unable to make such a statement based on the results of the analysis I performed.  In fact, on page three of my report titled, The Catskill Mountains Inscription, that was published in the Epigraphic Society of Occasional Papers (ESOP), Volume 25, I concluded the following, "It is quite clear that the inscription was carved into fresh rock below the weathered surface and those surfaces have since weathered. That weathering profile appears less developed than the original weathered surface indicating that the inscription is younger. The age of the weathering is unclear. However, it appears that the weathering of the inscription has taken many years to develop."

Let me be clear that the weathering of the inscription could, in fact, be many centuries old.  However, without a properly documented provenance of where this stone was discovered and the specific environmental conditions it was exposed to I cannot say with any certainty how old the weathering of carved grooves are.

The inscribed stone from the Catskill Mountains in the state of New York has six clearly visible characters carved into the surface and has approximate dimensions of 9 1/2” (237 mm) x 2 ¾” (69 mm) x 1 1/8” (28 mm) thick.

A small piece was cut off the stone and a thin section was made for microscopic review.

A thin section of the greywacke was reviewed and is comprised of mostly sub-angular to sub-rounded greywacke comprised of quartz, feldspar, lithic fragments with a fine-grained matrix of sericite and minor opaque minerals (cross polarized light 40X).

The average depth of the carved lines in the inscription is 1.5 mm.  The inscription was carved through the 0.5 mm thick previously existing weathered surface into fresh rock (10X).

A clearly defined, light colored weathering profile was observed at the surface to a depth of 0.5 mm (30X).

89 comments:

  1. But you have no problem with the unverified hearsay, inaccurate historical knowledge base and foolish assumptions that make up the rest of the "work"?

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    1. Anonymous,

      First, you have no idea what my opinion is regarding the book since I haven’t finished reading it. I’m also confident you haven’t read it at all; hence the lack of specifics as usual. You have one opportunity here to list specifics you disagree with or you are done. I have repeatedly warned you about unsupported blatantly negative comments yet you continue. This is the definition of being a “troll.”

      Go back to the basement, be an adult, and try again.

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    2. You want specifics in regard to unverified hearsay, an inaccurate historical knowledge base and foolish assumptions? Well, start with Zena's title. It's all there.

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    3. Anonymous,

      Criticizing the title of her book is not providing specifics. Try again.

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    4. Mr Wolter
      Seeking a way to contact you and this seems to be it.
      I was hiking in the back country Utah side of the grand canyon with my son. We found a rock carved pyramid appx. 6ft tall.
      Repeated attempts to contact Brigham young university and NAU have gone unanswered and I have tried contacting a few Podcast programs of alternative viewpoint for leads of who would be interested in this find, with no luck.
      I look forward to speaking with you

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    5. Daniel,

      Can you send me some photos to look at? If so, send to this email: swolter@amengtest.com

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  2. Scott,
    Your blog post was concise, factual, and was much appreciated. Your clarification, supported by photographic records, makes it clear that your examined the stone using scientific methodology. This work, similar to what you did with the Westford Boat Stone (and perhaps others), is not readily accessible. I know that you mentioned that this work was published in ESOP, but that publication only has limited online availability. Have you considered, perhaps, publishing some of your previous work in a forum such as Academia dot edu so that it could be more accessible?

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    1. Pat,

      I didn't submit that paper to ESOP; Zena did. I've intentionally kept anything related to Zena's research quiet for the past 10 years because of her demand for secrecy. She wanted things kept very quiet and I tried to honor that.

      At some point I'll take a look at getting my papers published on other sites. Your suggestion is a good one.

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  3. You did come out with the framework of Zena's story in your own book, first, correct?

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    1. Anonymous,

      Yes, I did write about what I thought were the most compelling aspects of the story and about our hikes on Hunter Mountain. I still find the presence of the Hooked X on the Nova Scotia map, the title page of the C-Doc, and now on the “Roche Code Page” very interesting. This is because the association of the Hooked X being connected to the Knights Templar/Cistercians wasn’t made public until I published my Hooked X book in 2009. The question is how did they get there?

      There is no doubt there are many red flags in Zena’s research, most notably the connection she tries to make to Oak Island that simply isn’t there, but there are some good things that demand further investigation. IMHO with the evidence presented in this book, there isn't enough factual evidence to conclude one way or the other if the Templar Document stories are fact or fiction IMHO.

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    2. can you elaborate on the 'Roche Code Page'?- original page or copy?

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    3. Anonymous,

      The first time I ever saw that page was yesterday when I read about it in the book. The Hooked X is interesting, but I know nothing about the code or whether it's legitimate or not.

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  4. Scott,
    What do we know about the Venus families during the time period between the death of Mary Magdalene and the formation of the Cistercians? I know they practiced dualism and the worshiped the goddess and Mary Magdalene, but where did they live? What civilization were they apart of? What was a Venus family member's daily life like? What more information do you know about them during this time period between MM's death and the rise of the Cistercians? Another important question is what archaeological evidence is there of the Venus families?

    Alfonso

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    1. Alfonso,

      To learn more about the Venus Families I suggest you read Alan Butler's books and the book he and my wife, Janet, wrote that was published in December of 2005. It's a complicated web of interactions and long range planning by bloodline families primarily located in what is not the region of Southern France.

      Arguably the most important Venus Family member connected to the Cistercians is Bernard de Clairvaux. He is a fascinating study. I would start there.

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  5. As usual, the cautious way is best until all is known. I would think, though, the same process of verifying this artifact is the same as the KS. --- If the weathering is older then the first recorded time of "known" history", then it is genuine unless, of course, we can identify the Native American tribe that knew about carving "letters" into stone that are recognizable. Your conclusion on the KS was, if memory serves me right, was "in access" of 200 years. This stone need only be 1 day older prior to "discovery"....

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    1. David,

      Nobody would like to say that inscription was centuries old more than me, but I simply cannot unless I have a factual basis to do it. Zena made an innocent mistake, we have discussed it, and she agreed it needs to be fixed in the next printing. It's all good with her and I.

      My concern is there are some who might challenge the statement and use the lack of supporting evidence to attack the artifact as we routinely see by dishonest trolls who frequent this blog and elsewhere. Rarely are those attacks based on a sincere desire to seek truth, but in this case it would have been an issue and something they would pounce on.

      We have now taken away that opportunity.

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  6. Scott, I really appreciate you and your work.
    Karen CS

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    1. Karen,

      Thank you; all I can say is I'm trying my best to do things right. So far, it seems to be working out.

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  7. Mr. Hutton, who states he works with you and has said that you and he have had discussions with Ms. Halpern, has said that Ms. Halpern is confined to her home and terminal, is this how you found her to be?

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  8. Anonymous,

    Hutton was commenting based on a private conversation he had with Zena so you’d have to ask them about it. I don’t feel it is my place to discuss Ms. Halpern’s personal health issues in a public forum.

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  9. Hello Scott,

    Is the name of the KRS carver Nicholas?

    This first crossed my mind after asking about Sir Humphrey Dennison, and you mentioned possibly one day knowing the name of the carver. I figured you already had someone in mind.

    Best regards,

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      That day isn't here yet, but stay tuned. As much as I'd like to I can't go into details at the moment.

      Sorry about that.

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  10. Scott,

    I'm not trying to steal your thunder. I've been rereading some of my old books with new eyes. I find it interesting, most of the important facts and details are often mentioned in passing. When reading about a monk traveling the new world with 8 Norsemen from 1360-64...It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

    Can't wait to talk,

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      No offense taken at all and you're right about making that logical connection. However, I recall in that instance the monk returned to Norway and reported on his voyage to the Western Lands.

      In our case, the party didn't return as their mission was to establish a "settlement" and then assimilate with the indigenous people.

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  11. "In our case, the party didn't return as their mission was to establish a "settlement" and then assimilate with the indigenous people."

    There is absolutely no evidence to back up this incredibly absurd claim. Not even the rock itself reveals such idiocy.

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    1. Anonymous Harold,

      What part of “Acquisition business/taking up land” is too difficult for you to understand? And doesn’t logic demand that if the KRS party didn’t return to Europe, that assimilation would be obvious? Of course it would.

      As far as evidence to support the claims; stay tuned my close-minded friend. You will be eating a healthy dose of crow very soon. Get ready.

      And why is it that you have to hide in the shadows? You can come out; we know it’s you. Or does your conscience bother you?

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  12. Quoting Lynyrd Skynyrd? BAZINGA!

    How utterly wrong you are in every endeavor you undertake while you trespass through history. You should realize that history will treat you solely as a fraud, if you're not forgotten in entirety.

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    1. Anonymous,

      At least you got the Skynyrd reference right. First time for everything.

      Expressing negative opinions and calling me names doesn’t further the discussion. Bring something, anything other than blatant and boring over-the-top negativity. Please Harold.

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  13. Who used the crest of David. Found this on one of the stones today. Is this a Template or another order? Do you still have the lab? I would love to see how old this stuff is.

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  14. The last time I saw and spoke to you on site in New Ross, I told you the real treasure hunt just started. This site has everything you been looking for and because of your GREED you will kick your self in the axx when you see what we plan to go public with. Den

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    1. Denny,

      Last I checked it was you who calls yourself a “treasure hunter”; not me. I sincerely hope you prove me and everyone else wrong by finding the Templar treasure the brothers on Oak Island cannot.

      Good luck.

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  15. Sinclair told me you were selling the movie and book and film rights to our site as we were filming. You were on the phone a lot. when I asked you about it , you said you snooze you loose and walked away laughing. Then I said there was to be no digging at this site under my permit, and you hired a backhoe to dig. That's when we turned the radar picture around and drilled at the wrong spot at the well. I paid for the drilling rig so we had control of it. Soon we will be doing a dig that will go world wide in news. Have a good day

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    1. Denny,

      What Steve was likely talking about was the movie we had already made that premiered in 2009, "Holy Grail in America." I’m sure you’ve seen it on History Channel as they play it all the time. At this point, I have zero interest in the New Ross site, nor would I have any filming rights to it anyway. Other than that I have no idea what you are talking about.

      Good luck with your new venture.

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  16. Happy Ishtar/Easter Scott,

    Before we were rudely interrupted, I was going to mention the name Haakon and the resulting name of adding Aten.

    I get the impression there were two parties involved from 1360-64, one being a diversion and still working in concert to achieve their goal.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      As in Akhenaten perhaps?

      We're pretty sure there was only one party operating here at that time who started from Norway in 1358. They knew they weren't coming back, but as we've seen with the long range alignments in the Newport Tower, they left a breadcrumb trail to where the KRS was located so their comrades could relocate it if ever necessary.

      Apparently, it wasn't necessary as the job was eventually successfully completed.

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  17. Scott,
    You are always a fountain of information. Have you considered offering your services to the Lagina brothers in Oak Island? I believe you would add even more credibility to the show. Btw, I miss America Unearthed and believe the so-called "History" Channel needs more intelligent programming.

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    1. Moses,

      There is no reason to "help" the brothers since there is nothing on the island to find. What was once there was recovered centuries ago. It's akin to Gilligan's Island now.

      History Channel does have a credibility problem, but it has much to do about the audience they pander to. Keep in mind it's a business and truth and reality are great, but they have shareholders that need to be answered to. Very nice people there, but they are running a for profit business.

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  18. Scott,

    The Hooked X is used for A on the KRS as we all know. I'm curious as to why they didn't use it for the A in AVM? I'm sure the answer is obvious, but it's not coming to me lol.

    Neil

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    1. Neil,

      That's a very good question. Clearly the carver wanted to convey a different message with the Latin "AVM" verses the runes and other secret symbols used within the inscription. As I've stated before, I have seen medieval rune stones in Sweden with both Latin letters and runes although they are rare. On the KRS, I have argued the "AVM" was carved to secretly convey reverence for the sacred feminine. In this case, I suspect it was Mary Magdalene who was vitally important to the Templars.

      The use of the Hooked X, twenty-two times, for the letter "a" within the text was another intentional deviation from the standard runic symbol to convey a secret meaning. That meaning was a symbolic expression of their true faith of Monotheistic Dualism, and of their reverence for their human ancestor, the biblical Jesus/Yeshua. "We were fishing one day..." is also a coded reference to the "Fisher King" in whose name the land claim was made.

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    2. Hello Scott,

      I find the AE explanation for the "Hooked X" interesting, due to many names of old English monarchs, begin with the letters AE.

      There are three very intriguing vines which seem to connect England to ancient Egypt, and Turkey. Astronomy, the English language itself, and steel. I cringe every time I hear, "English is a slave language" or, "English is a modern invention". From what I understand, the language of ancient Hittite empire in Turkey was English. The words "bread" and "water" have not changed in over 4,000 years, other than the alphabet used. Hittite Turkey is where we also find the oldest example of steel. I've read where a tool containing steel was found within the masonry of the Great Pyramid. It was apparently attributed to later invaders and discarded. This kind of thinking also led to fossils found in ancient Greek temples being tossed as well. If it doesn't fit, throw it away! Luckily, no one threw away the KRS.

      I'll expound further on the Ancient Egypt thinking after, I aquire, and read your Akhenaten book.

      Best regards,

      Anthony Warren

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    3. Anthony,

      I think my "Akhenaten to the Founding Fathers" book is required reading as I present several new discoveries that provide additional context to the KRS and other artifacts. I sing all books purchased off www.hookedx.com, but if you don't care about that you can save a few bucks on Amazon.

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  19. Scott,

    Does the "acquisition business/taking up land" have anything to do with strenghtening familial ties of a previously usurped English monarchy/priesthood hiding out/ assimilating in America for a long period of time?

    Anthony Warren





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    1. Anthony,

      I don't know if there are any familial ties to certain Templar/Venus Families, but I would not rule it out. There's so much we don't know about what happened in North America prior to "Chris" it's impossible to say with any certainty right now.

      The fact it is a land claim is important enough and that alone changes the history of the founding of this country pushing the beginning back centuries from what is commonly believed now.

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  20. Due to these errors in Halpern's research and writing, you will no longer cite her as a competent source?

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    1. Anonymous,

      No, I will not cite anything associated with the errors in her work. However, I won’t throw the baby out with the bathwater as you apparently seem prepared to do. There is plenty of good material in her work that if found to be credible, myself and others, may to cite.

      Just because people makes mistakes doesn’t mean everything they do is worthless. Surely you see the folly in such a position?

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  21. Interpreting "many years" as meaning "many centuries" would be a deal breaker for me, having no skin in the game. Certainly if Henrik Williams had made the same error, you'd be doing a podcast over it demanding a retraction for each and every disagreement you have with him. He wouldn't, of course. Proper peer review tends to avoid such embarrassment.

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    1. This comment makes no sense. Zena made a mistake, I corrected it and we’ve both moved on. I don’t do podcasts, but if Williams made a mistake, I’d bring it to his attention as I have done previously. However, instead of fixing the errors he and Nielsen made with regard to the KRS, he continues to ignore the situation leaving himself vulnerable to criticism. Proper peer review in that case, and his taking heed of the suggestions, could have avoided the huge credibility problem he now has.

      Unfortunately, these changes were intentional and justified by the “3D study” Williams and Jensen have ownership to and continue to refuse to make available to anyone. And you think this is top notch scholarship huh…?

      You're trolling is getting annoying.

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    2. You said earlier there are many "red flags" in Zena's research, but producing a copy of a copy of a copy of a supposed map that you think proves Templar's were in North America in 1179 isn't one of them?

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    3. The 'red flags' pertain to the 1914 Prison Break story and the Oak Island nonsense; both should have been left out and she should focused on the document. However, there is a very good possibility it is a copy (of a copy of a copy whichever it is) of a Twelfth Century document and is something that needs to be looked at very carefully.

      You are far too quick to discard anything that supports what you don’t want to believe which is the antithesis of science. While at the same time you criticize and attack me, and anyone else, for not being scientific. Hypocritical at least and fraudulent as worst. Further, posting comments as “Anonymous” shows a lack of integrity.

      I think there’s a very good chance this document is a copy of an authentic document and will articulate the evidence to support why in my new book. I don’t need to prove pre-Columbian Templars came to North America, the Kensington, Spirit Pond, Narragansett Rune Stones and the Newport Tower have already done that. What is so important about this deposition document is it provides important previously unknown details of the knights activities, ideology, interaction with various native tribes that confirm their oral traditions and much more.

      An objective scientist would be excited about this potentially exciting new information which deep down I know you are. Especially since it’s only the beginning… ;-)

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  22. What are the best sources for decoding Ogham script? I've come across several examples of what appears to be Ogham ingeniously encoded. I'd like to know what is being said, or if it's actually Ogham.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      The best person to discuss Ogham script in North America with is Michel Boutet. I think he recently published a book or paper on Ogham script. I have his contact info if you can't reach him.

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  23. Scott,
    I am going to play Devil's advocate to two scientific tests you did: first, for the Bat Creek Stone, you came to the conclusion that it is old because the inscription doesn't contain any debris and is polished unlike the recent scratches that someone made in the early 70s. But couldn't someone in the late 1800s have polished the inscription to make it look old before they buried it? And in the Michigan copper episode of AU, you did a test where you matched Michigan copper with a Bronze age artifact, and both were over 99% pure copper. But doesn't smelting copper when making bronze artifacts make the copper for the bronze age artifact close to if not pure copper? Does it really prove anything if Michigan copper if pure copper like a Bronze age artifact?

    Abraham

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    1. Abraham,

      The grooves of the Bat Creek Stone inscription were clean of the tacky clay-rich debris that attained that condition after centuries of below-grade weathering in the wet mound. Polishing the stone wouldn't clean the grooves and field agent John Emmert documented there was no intrusion in the mound during his investigation. Unless there is evidence of someone planting the stone it's a non-starter.

      We did document the percentage of copper, but it was the trace elements that pinpointed the European copper to the Lake Superior region. There is ample reason for ancient mariners like he Phoenicians to travel wherever they needed to for something as valuable in that time as copper.

      Imagine how much float copper was just lying around on the ground after the glaciers receded; it's still found on the ground all the time. Good news travels fast and far; they were here.

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    2. But in the episode, you said that you were confident that there was a connection between the Great Lakes copper and the Bronze age copper because of the purity of both, to which i asked wouldn't smelting copper make it pure, not necessarily meaning a match between the two?

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    3. Abraham,

      I don't recall exactly what I said as I haven't watched the episode since it originally aired. Regardless, if they used Great Lakes copper they wouldn’t need to purify the copper, the smelting process was to create the copper-tin alloy of bronze.

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  24. Scott,
    I guess what I meant to ask or should've asked was, What were the European Bronze age artifact's trace elements and what is the evidence that the Bronze age civilizations didn't smelt the copper, and what is the evidence that this specific Bronze age artifact wasn't smelted copper?

    Abraham

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    1. Abraham,

      I don't recall what the trace elements were now; that was five years ago and I'm focused on other research. As far as your other two questions go, there is no way to prove a negative. You can't say it didn't happen and you can't say that it did.

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    2. Dont you think that kind of data is important to keep track of regardless of what you are currently researching? What filters were used in the analysis? Pxrf i take it? Have you made the dataset public?...while you may have quit researching one topic, its my opinion that you often attempt to weave multiple claims together, which is not an inherently a bad thing unless they are built upon unsubstantiated suppositions.

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    3. Anonymous,

      The production company paid for and retained the data. I probably could have asked for and gotten the data at the time, but was didn't. Wouldn't be able to get it now unfortunately.

      Thanks for your concern.

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    4. Well, with all due respect, as a good scientist you should retract any claim in which that data was used. C'mon man, thats just shoddy work. Many of your detractors often claim you do this often, that is, build suppositions on faulty data, and when one unsupported supposition falls the whole thing crumbles. I came here with an open mind after watching a youtube episode of AE, but i dont see much of the scientific method here.

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    5. Anonymous,

      Retract what claim? What I said on the show at the time was based on good science and I stand behind it. Shoddy work my rear; that I don't have that data now that I didn't pay for doesn't negate the legitimacy of the testing done by the University of Minnesota or the conclusions we reached.

      Sorry pal; please don't try to lecture me with a grade school premise about proper science. OK?

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    6. Who exactly did the elemental analysis and interpretation?

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    7. Anonymous,

      I’ll answer that question when you identify yourself exactly.

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    8. Anonymous,

      Until you identify yourself to my satisfaction your rants will not be posted. You know what to do, suck it up and do it.

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    9. Scott, I wasn't the same person as anonymous above. But whatever, run it however you want, it's your blog.

      Regards,

      D

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    10. D,

      That is why people need to identify themselves. There are nasty haters that routinely troll this blog and I give them a very short leash. If they want their comments posted they know what to do.

      Incidentally, I'd have to watch the episode again to recall the name of the person who did the analysis. I haven't watched the episode since it aired which was about 5 years ago.

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    11. I think what our poster above is pointing at but phrasing his question and challenge awkwardly is "IPR". This is the study and ownership of copyright material and research.

      He should bone up on this information before posting "who owns your data".........

      http://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/intproperty/489/wipo_pub_489.pdf

      http://www.d.umn.edu/~pschoff/documents/ElliotR05WhoOwnsScientificDatapdf.pdf

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  25. Happy Beltane/May Day everyone,

    Since first hearing about the Copper Scroll in my early youth, I've been fascinated by the purity of copper from which it's made. The 99 percent purity has always been attributed to some long lost purification method. According to what I'd read, copper ore of this purity didn't exist in nature. This is where Scott and his program AU, debunked that. High purity copper did indeed exist and it can be found right here in North America. I would love it if someone obtained samples of the Copper Scroll and compared themail to the ore. There is no need for a long lost purification method, IF, the copper came from here.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Thank you for confirming what I thought/heard Anthony! Coming from the Copper State (Arizona), I have friends who's distant relatives had copper mines here and they said the purity mined copper could be 99%. Can't wait to see more of your work Scott! I know you, Mr. Pulitzer and many others are working hard on many projects! Thank you for dealing with all of our questions! Much appreciated!

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    2. Neil,

      We are working on some very good stuff and will share when we are able.

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    3. Oh I know! I was just thanking you for all the hard work and putting up with our impatience lol

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  26. Scott and Neil,

    Until Scott's episode of AU aired, I was unaware of any natural copper deposits being 99 percent pure. According to all sources I'd read, this was impossible and didn't exist in nature. This is a really "BIG DEAL" in my opinion. Especially in regards to the Copper Scroll of Qumran. Now, I hear from Neil, the same purity of copper could be found in Arizona. COOL!!! So...Did the Essenes get their copper from Michigan or Arizona?
    Please explain that one Academia!


    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      I could be wrong, but I have no doubt with them traveling from the East that they would've hit the Michigan area before Arizona and in that age with all the mining going on there, they had to get it from the Michigan area. Intriguing thought though. Something for me to look up here haha.

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    2. Greetings from Arizona
      I work at a copper mine here in AZ.
      This is home to the purest copper to come out of the ground on earth.
      Usually you would find copper ore to be appx 30%(As I have understood the industry viable minimum content for recovery in a mining operation)
      The ore is immediately recognizable due to its green oxidized state.
      Here, however, due to the purity, the copper here is actually a metallic crystal, indistinguishable from iron pyrrite(fools gold). You would not be able to tell the two apart.

      Trace elements would distinguish the origin of the copper. As with diamonds,one could determine through analysis where the source was with an extremely high percentage of certainty. Purity would have nothing to do with geography, UNLESS we are talking about a RAW NUGGET. Smelting is done to remove impurities, so 99% pure copper content is about as fascinating and mysterious as 24kt gold. It is so pure because it has been refined. In it's natural state toward 99% (ONLY FOUND IN AZ) it cannot be turned into a scroll as it is not malleable. All the hammering and pounding in the world only succeeds in making dust. It is quite unlike a gold nugget that can be pounded flat fresh from the ground.
      Heat must be applied to make it form.
      Anyway....thats my 2 cents

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    3. As I remember, the trip to Ophir during King Solomons time took multiple years. I could envision a journey by sea down the Persian Gulf, around India, and across the Pacific. Gold and silver were more than plentiful along the West coast of South and central America. Just north from there is the Gulf of California, which would funnel one right up the colorado river towards Arizona's 99% pure copper.
      I think an approach from the West as well as from the east to Michigan is likely. It could explain why it took so long to return from Ophir.
      My 2 cents :)

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    4. Thank you for that Daniel! I'm not very familiar with other routes like that. I assumed that's how the Chinese made it here to build that cave in the Grand Canyon! I am definitely going research these routes.

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    5. Greetings from Arizona
      I work at a copper mine here in AZ.
      This is home to the purest copper to come out of the ground on earth.
      Usually you would find copper ore to be appx 30%(As I have understood the industry viable minimum content for recovery in a mining operation)
      Ordinary copper ore is immediately recognizable due to its green oxidized state.
      Here, however, due to the purity, the copper is actually a metallic crystal, indistinguishable from iron pyrrite(fools gold). You would not be able to tell the two apart.

      Trace elements would distinguish the origin of the copper. As with diamonds,one could determine through analysis where the source was with an extremely high percentage of certainty. Purity would have nothing to do with geography, UNLESS we are talking about a RAW NUGGET. Smelting is done to remove impurities, so 99% pure copper content is about as fascinating and mysterious as 24kt gold. It is so pure because it has been refined. In it's natural state toward 99% (ONLY FOUND IN AZ) it cannot be turned into a scroll as it is not malleable. All the hammering and pounding in the world only succeeds in making dust. It is quite unlike a gold nugget that can be pounded flat fresh from the ground.
      Heat must be applied to make it form.
      Anyway....thats my 2 cents

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    6. I'm pretty sure they melted the copper ore. I've never heard of anyone doing an analysis to check the scroll for ink. I'm pretty sure it could be used for printing multiple copies like an early printing press. From what I viewed on Scott's program America Unearthed, 99% pure copper can be found in the Great Lakes region as well.

      Anthony Warren

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  27. Scott, a broad question that i dont think i ve heard you touch on. You have expressed considerable disdain for academia, especially anthropology and linguistics, do you feel similarly about geology academics? Have any phd geologist's approached you to publish in a peer review journal? Would you be willing to do so?

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    1. Anonymous, I’d really appreciate it if you’d identify yourself in future posts; thank you.

      First, my disdain is only directed at SOME academics in certain disciplines who exhibit no-scientific, or in a few cases, fraudulent behavior in their handling of certain subject matter. As yet, I’ve only had issues with one PhD geologist, but then he doesn’t work in the field, hasn’t published anything on relevant subject matter, and has a personal grudge against me so he doesn’t count. All other geologists appreciate and respect the scientific work that I’ve done.

      Much of my work has already been peer reviewed by appropriate academics and subsequently published. As you are probably aware, the academic peer review process is horribly flawed, especially in the opinion-driven disciplines that you mentioned. This is why things like the Kensington Rune Stone continue to languish because a select few academics did not employed proper scientific methodology in their research. I guess we can’t blame them since they don’t receive any formal training in how to conduct a proper scientific investigation.

      To put it bluntly, the reason soft-science academia hasn’t solved the Kensington Rune Stone is because, both in the U.S. and in Scandinavia for the past 120 years, “Academics have been trying to tell the KRS what it’s supposed to be instead of letting the artifact tell them what it is.”

      I put that in quotes so you and others will remember it.

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    2. Sorry “Johnny Love”, but until you abide by the rules you can’t play on the blog.

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  28. 1906 article in the Phoenix Gazette.
    EGYPTIAN ARTIFACTS FOUND IN GRAND CANYON
    While hiking on the Utah side of the Grand Canyon with my son, we found a carved 4 sided pyramid.
    After several years, I have finally located an archaeologist from ASU that wants to go take a look this summer.

    Just saying, i am certain that in ancient times Arizona was being visited as well as Michigan, and resources were being exploited.

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    1. The Tucson Lead Artifacts convinced me of this as well. If you google that Grand Canyon cave, there are some people who say that what was seen there could also be identified as Asian.

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    2. Neil,

      Are you familiar with Churchen Man and Churchen Woman? When you see their mummies, one is shocked to find out their DNA is Asian. From what I recall, both Churchen Man and Otzi the Iceman catried copper daggers. Interestingly, both men have tattoos as well as Churchen Woman. Otzi's ink resembles bar codes on acupuncture spots of his body. CM and CW have ink on their faces. Mike Tyson wouldn't look out of place with these people.

      Anthony Warren

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    3. No! I'm not familiar with them at all! That's interesting! I'm going to look them up now. Thank you for that!

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    4. Cherchen


      Didn't check the autocorrect.

      Anthony Warren

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    5. Google corrected it when I put it in the search! All is good! There's a lot of info!

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  29. Two different monks, both traveling North America with eight Norseman, overlapping the years between 1360-1362. In both cases there are a total of nine men. Does this sound familiar??? This is the same number of the first Templar Knights. Sure seems like someone was following a pre-existing template.

    Anthony Warren

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  30. Scott,

    What is your take on the LENAPE history regarding the KRS? I just read an article about it posted on the AAPS Facebook page.

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