Thursday, July 25, 2019

The Forrester "Fish" at Rosslyn Chapel

Inside the small church at Corstorphine in Edinburgh, Scotland, lie the marble effigies of an important medieval married couple.  Sir John Forrester (1380-1448), 2nd of Corstorphine, lies next to his second wife Jean Sinclair, the daughter of Earl Henry Sinclair.  What makes these effigies so important is not just the individuals that prove the two clans obviously knew each other, but were literally aligned by blood.  Consolidation of money and power through strategic marriages wasn't anything new then, or now, but this particular marriage was important for researchers trying to better understand the activities of these families and their connections to the Templar's after their put-down in 1307. 

This very special blog post is a collaborative effort of myself, and my friend Steve St. Clair, in the week leading up to the final episode of season 4 of America Unearthed.  The final episode is arguably the best in a season of 10 really good shows for it reveals exciting new evidence about the fugitive Templar's activities in North America circa 1400.  During filming of the episode, I visited Rosslyn Chapel for the third time and really paid attention to the subtle carvings of mason's marks tucked among the labyrinth of incredible carvings throughout the building.  On an east-west aligned beam in the east end of the church, I noticed a familiar, skillfully carved symbol between two ornately carved floral designs.  It was the same hanging horn symbol found in the Forrester coat of arms so prominently featured in Corstorphine Church only a few miles north of Rosslyn, in Edinburgh.

The "fish" is an esoteric symbol of sacred geometry when two intersecting circles create three equidistant quadrants at the center.  The middle quadrant is a vertical almond shape called the "Vesica Pisces".  Roman Christians are familiar with the symbol when aligned horizontally as the Christian "fish" representing the ministry of the biblical Jesus.  To Gnostic Christians initiated with certain esoteric knowledge, the symbol represents something else entirely in relation to Jesus and his First Century followers.  The "fish" is one of the best examples of a symbol whose meaning is drastically different to people with opposing ideology allowing plausible deniability when challenged by both sides.

A bit of context is needed here to understand why this carving is so significant.  Sir John Forrester, founded the extant church in 1429.  His marriage to Jean Sinclair in the early part of the 15th Century establishes a few important facts.  First, it is all but certain William Sinclair of Roslin (1410-1484) would have known Sir John Forrester as his aunt, Jean, was married to him.  This also meant he would have been well aware of the Forrester coat of arms symbolism by the time ground was broken for the construction of Rosslyn Chapel, in 1446.  At 36 years of age, William would have been well versed in his families' clan affiliations and politics of the time.  Aside from the clan alliance through marriage, there would have been other affiliations such as through Freemasonry and the Scottish clan's rumored support of the Templars.

The chapel would have been at the foundation stage when Sir John Forrester died in 1448, and the beam with the Forrester "fish" was likely still at least a decade away from being installed.  William must have had the Forrester hunting horn "fish" carving made as an ode to the clan his family was clearly aligned with.  The fact the fish carving is positioned on its side, as Steve pointed out in our conversations, with the head "swimming" to the east, could be a symbolic reference to Jerusalem and knowledge of the Templars activities there in the previous two centuries.  Whatever the meaning, the Forrester fish seems to be clear evidence of the strong alliance between these two powerful Scottish families in the late 14th and 15th Centuries at the very least.
    
Only a year before my discovery of the hanging horn symbol in Rosslyn, Steve found the effigies at Corstorphine during a trip to Scotland to conduct genealogical research.  The Forrester Clan connection to the Sinclair Clan was important enough, but it was the "fish" symbol in the string of the hanging horn on the Forrester coat of arms that interested me.  In my new book, "Cryptic Code of the Templars in America: Origins of the Hooked X Symbol",  I wrote about the 2000 year-long history of the fish symbol that runs from Jerusalem, to Scotland, and eventually to the United States hidden in plain sight for those with the eyes to see.  I refer the reader to my blog of July 2nd of this year, and the picture of the letter written by General George Washington and the vertically aligned fish symbol above the "g" (God?) in his last name.  Examples of Washington's signature show he began using the curious fish symbol after he was raised as a Freemason at the age of 21.

It's time for Steve to chime in with his thoughts about the recent discovery of the Forrester fish at Rosslyn... 

DNA SNPs and Medieval Records Prove a Medieval Affinity Family

In 2018, I got a private tour of Corstorphine and found exactly what I expected to find, the armorial bearings of the Forrester family quartered with that of the Sinclair family of Caithness. 

Forrester Arms:  Argent, three bugle horns Sable, garnished Vert and stringed Gules.

Motto:  Blaw, hunter, Blaw Thy Horn.

Sinclair Arms:  Azune, a galley Or, the sail thereof Argent

Motto:  Commit thy work to God.

No mention of a fish in any records and I’ve never heard of anyone thinking this is a fish. You can tell the carvings are recently painted and not exposed to the weather. Personally, I’m not convinced the “bugle horns” are a vertical fish symbol, but I’m also no expert on esoteric symbology. My area of focus is DNA and medieval land transfer records.

My trip to Corstorphine was driven by a DNA match that showed up quite by surprise in our advanced SNP matches.  About 4 years ago, a Forrester gentleman showed up matching our Saint-Clairs of Herdmanston Ancestral lineage. This wasn’t just any match - it was proved by Family Tree DNA’s Big Y test. These tests pinpoint tens of thousands of parts of the human chromosome, so they’re irrefutable matches. Better still, they’re backed up by Y-full dating of the SNPs. And the dating is within a time frame that makes it terribly interesting.

Here’s that last paragraph in plain English:

In the definitive guide on our family, researched and written by Rondo BB Me and Gerald Sinclair, we know Henry II Sinclair of Rosslyn, 1st Earl of Orkney had a daughter, Jean Sinclair, who married Sir John Forrester of Corstorphine (Enigmatic Sinclairs, p.65). In yet another connection, William “The Waster” second Earl of Caithness, sold land called Cardain Sinclair, and the Forrester's bought it. (Land tended to stay “in the family.”  If you know Rondo, you know her research is irrefutable. That creates an interesting situation because the DNA SNP match proves that the Herdmanston line of Sinclair, and Forrester's living today, share male blood.  That much is also irrefutable.  Another way to say that is it’s a confluence of independently proven variables.

An important point to remember about Corstorphine.  When Cromwell invaded Scotland, he ran into a skirmish with, among others, the Forrester family.  Later, he took his revenge by destroying much of Corstorphine Church, including the effigies.  These were re-built in 1429, but some effigies were moved and re-carved.  The thickness of the lines holding the horns in that armorial bearing might have been carved to be thicker at that point.  Another important point to remember, Adam Forrester (d. 1405) was a wealthy merchant in Edinburgh, not a knight. He acquired Corstorphine from King Robert III and was appointed Keeper of the Great Seal in 1390 as a reward for his services.

A word about armorial bearings

In the early medieval era, the use of coats of arms had little structure. The first documented use of a coat of arms was on the Bayeux Tapestry in the 11th century, and you can see they were nowhere near as elaborate as they would become by the 14th century.  Coats of arms were granted to families by a ruling monarch.  Use by country varied, but in Scotland and England, they could only be used by aristocracy.  By the 13th century, only the person granted the coat of arms by a king could use it as it was granted.  Successive generations had to change it slightly to distinguish it from previous generations. The main way this was accomplished was by "quartering."  This practice is a great help to genealogists today because successive families would add the symbol of families marrying into one another.  Thus, the Forrester shield in Corstorphine has the Sinclair armorial quartered into it.
Scott’s discovery of what looks to be the Forrester armorial hunting horn inside Rosslyn Chapel is potentially an extremely interesting additional evidence of what we now know to be an incredibly important affinity connection.

Sources - Ancestral Findings, "The Real Truth Behind Coats of Arms and Family Crests" https://ancestralfindings.com/real-truth-behind-coats-arms-family-crests/ Accessed 2 July, 2019.

“The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland,” edited by Patrick Hanks, Richard Coates, Peter McClure https://bit.ly/2xj7yoJ Accessed 2 July, 2019.

Lewis, Samuel, "A Topographical Dictionary of Scotland: Comprising the Several ..., Volume 1"

McAndrew, Bruce A. "Scotland's Historic Heraldry", Boydell Press (March 20, 2014) ISBN-13: 978-1843832614. 


The church in Corstorphine was originally founded on these grounds in 1128.  Sir Adam Forrester added a burial chapel in 1404 and his son, Sir John Forrester 1st, founded the existing church in 1429.


In the burial chapel lie the effigies of Sir John Forrester and second wife, Jean Sinclair, the granddaughter of Earl Henry Sinclair.  Five Coat of Arms carvings adorn the lower wall with  the black engrailed cross of the Sinclair Clan (second from left, lower right quadrant).


The Coat of Arms of the Forrester Clan includes three hunting horns with wide strings in the shape of a vertically aligned fish symbol.



The Visica Pisces is the vertically aligned almond shape created when two intersecting circles are spaced creating three equidistant lengths at the center.  When this shape is aligned horizontally it becomes the symbol familiar to Roman Christians related to the biblical Jesus.  


The south side of Rosslyn Chapel is beautifully illuminated by the early morning sun on a clear January morning in 2019.


The Forrester "Fish" carving in Rosslyn is located on the south side of east-west running beam in the east end of the chapel.


Carved onto the south facing, east-west trending stone beam in the east end of the chapel is what appears to be mason's mark of the Forrester Clan hunting horn between two floral designs circled in red.


A close-up view reveals a skillfully carved hunting horn symbol of the Forrester Clan except it is aligned horizontally as opposed to vertical.  To the right is what appears to be a Templar Cross in the middle of the design. 


This north-south trending beam in the south aisle at Rosslyn Chapel have what have interpreted to aloe leaves.  This plant was indigenous to North America and unknown in Europe in the 15th Century when Rosslyn was constructed.  How did it get there?

34 comments:

  1. Nicely done. It's interesting that the fish symbol is also found in other significant places, such as the Wemyss Caves. Katherine Sinclair, ggdau of Henry Sinclair married Earl David Wemyss. The clans in that area seemed to intermarry a lot. Great recap of the Forrester connection.

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    1. Diana,

      You are quite right about the "fish" symbol occurring in other significant places. It's a lot like the "M" sign, once you know what to look for, it shows up all over the place. It's all about "having the eyes to see." Once initiated with the esoteric knowledge, the world becomes a much more interesting place!

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  2. Wolter I can not believe you have once again conspired with the LIAR STClair, who has no family dna connection to the Sinclair family.

    The Herdmanston Sinclair line is an early corruption of dna, an NPE line, in other words not the original DNA.

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    1. Claymore,

      I’m not sure who you are or what your deal is, but you sure don’t know what you’re talking about. Steve has made it clear to me for years that he is not part of the Rosslyn Sinclair line. As far as your Herdmanston/Sinclair line and the alleged corrupted DNA, I’ll let you and Steve hash that one out.

      I will also say, you have a lot of balls calling Steve a “liar” when you have nothing to back it up except an apparent personal vendetta.

      Put up, or shut up pal.

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    2. Hi Scott,

      Let me help with "Claymore's" hate comment. It's Robert James Sinclair of BC Canada.
      You're quite right Scott. I don't say I descend from Rosslyn or the lineage from Northern Scottish descent, most of whom spell their name Sinclair. I descend from Alexander Sinkler the 1698 immigrant to Virginia, many of whom spell our name St. Clair like me. This line was proven decades ago by an amazing researcher named Jean Grigsby. She spent 35 years researching Alexander's descendants. My own careful genealogy plus my DNA SNP match to others in this group prove I descend from him. He said in a court deposition (a court of law) that he was "of Glasgow."

      Robert James Sinclair is a descendant of the Earldom line. But there's news with the DNA of that lineage, and the timing of Robert's return to hate posting indicates that he's terribly upset by the news that other family DNA researchers and I found:

      Our Earldom Lineage, one that some people call our Rosslyn Lineage (not me, I call them the Caithness Lineage), match a family whose surname today is Cumming. That's a corruption of the Comyn surname, a very powerful family in 12th century Scotland. We have a similar corruption. The original spelling used in medieval Normand and more so in medieval England was St. Clair. Later it was corrupted to Sinclair in northern Scotland.

      That name has been in Robert's Caithness Lineage's matches all along. I initially worked with the Comyn family (with the incredible help of my friend Craig), and both groups - the Cumming DNA study and my Sinclair DNA study, think the greater probability is that the powerful Comyn's had a son who took the name Sinclair in the 1100s, or as Robert would say, they're the result of an NPE - a "non-paternity event." That doesn't completely rule out the alternative theory, or that the family first shared paternity back in Normandy long before surnames were fixed. However, the dating of the DNA SNP is in the 1100s, when the Comyn's were already in southern Scotland.

      What else happened in the 1100s in southern Scotland? Sir Robert Sinclair (whose origins are still to be confirmed*) showed up "as part of William Comyn's (1163-1233) entourage during the reign of Alexander II (1214-1249). Our best researchers, Rondo BB Me, can't place where he came from. He's been a mystery. Maybe that mystery is now solved. Sir Robert Sinclair first appeared in charters from 1190 onwards and by 1203 he had progressed to royal court records during the reign of Alexander's father, William the Lion, but disappeared from records after 1240." (From Craig)

      Regarding Robert James Sinclair's statement, "The Herdmanston Sinclair line is an early corruption of dna, an NPE line, in other words not the original DNA." That's blatantly false and he knows it. In fact, the earliest lands in Scotland given to anyone of our surname was 1162. The Moreville family gave land called Herdmanston to the St. Clair family, the one Robbie says are the result of an NPE. Bogus statement.

      After investing nearly a decade of telling others they're not "Real Sinclairs" or "the original DNA" as he says in the above hate post, it must be very upsetting for Robert James Sinclair. I encourage him to simply enjoy finally learning of a more likely scenario in his history. As he himself was fond of saying, "DNA doesn't lie."


      Steve St. Clair
      Founder and Admin of the Sinclair DNA Study

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  3. I don't have cable anymore. I wish Hulu would pickup your show. I love it💕

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    1. Hulu does carry America Unearthed. It's on the Travel Channel (Trvl). I just watched Exodus of the Templars.

      Thanks, Scott, for your research.

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  4. Scott,

    That's not a fish. Are you familiar with the Astrological symbol for Mercury? The symbol for Mercury has been combined with a horn in your first example. The horn being a stellar symbol too. In the Rosslyn example, the symbol for Mercury is combined with an arc. This symbol appears to be on the Newport Tower as well. Of course this is just my pareidolia until proven by closer inspection. I see similar ideas between the two symbols but, they appear to have slightly different meanings.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      I am familiar with the symbol for mercury and that is not it. In fact, it's not even close. The tradition of the "fish" symbol is well established in esoteric circles and has been used for over 2,000 years. As I said in the write-up, I go much deeper into this symbol in my forthcoming book.

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    2. Scott,

      I will refer you to a post from a friend of yours.

      https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2105659729510219&id=114338978642314&set=a.114955778580634&source=54&refid=13&__tn__=%2B%3D

      You should be familiar with the rock in the photo. What people have been interpreting as the number 8, is in fact the symbol for Mercury minus the symbol of the Cross of the Earth as most commonly displayed. My pareidolia matches Mr. Shekelton's. Mercury is also Hermes. With three symbols for Hermes on the same symbolic device... Hermes the thrice great???

      Fish symbols always have a point. The symbols you've shown have loops with no distinct point. In my opinion... That's Mercury.

      Anthony Warren


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    3. Anthony,

      I am very familiar the Westford Boat Stone and was the first one point out the middle symbol was not the number "8." I agree in this context on that artifact it's an astronomical symbol, but then it could be referring to the constellation of Pisces. We simply don't know.

      Fish symbols do not always have a point at the head end; the rounded head is emblematic of Vesica Pisces. It's the way symbolism works.

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    4. Scott,

      I will direct you to page 27 of "Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy" by, Robert Hewitt Brown. Without the + Cross of the Earth attached, the symbols for Taurus and Mercury are identical. ♉ This symbol looks just like the loop in both of your examples. This is also why for the past 23 years, I couldn't figure out if the Westford boat symbol was Taurus or Mercury. No context until reading the post from Mr. Shekelton.

      With your Heraldic example, I would have gone with a crescent moon and Taurus. The Rosslyn example has the Cross of the Earth to the right. That's why, I went with Mercury. Your hypothetical fish is staring straight at it.

      I am very familiar with symbolism and know how it works. I have never seen a Vesica Pisces depicted as a loop. The earliest example I'm aware of comes from the Indus Valley Civilization. Usually with what looks like a Rune at its center. The only examples I'm aware of where both points are not shown is various Tympanum, where the central figure, usually Jesus, is blocking the view. Most of which are extremely explicit if you know what you're looking at.
      You will need to provide multiples examples to prove your fish theory. I don't see it.

      Anthony Warren

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    5. Anthony,

      The multiple examples are in my forthcoming book. As you apparently know; symbols are not an all or nothing thing. Context is everything. In any case, the fish usually is a standalone with no astronomical significance. There are traditions that have existed for many centuries who use the symbol as a secret form of communication only initiates understand.

      That's all I can say.

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  5. DawnC,

    You can be sure I will keep on doing what I'm doing. Anthony and I are having a civil discussion about a difference in interpretation about symbols. It's all good!

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  6. I have long felt that Rosslyn Chapel is a fascinating place. Just so much symbolism on display. I don't remember if it was one of your shows or some place else, but I do recall there is stone carvings of corn/maize that is not indigenous to the area. And that they represent corn from North America which they shouldn't have been familiar with at that time.

    So certainly this upcoming episode on the Fish carvings definitely interests me. Look forward to seeing it!

    Rosslyn Chapel is truly an amazing structure. Would love to visit it some day.

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  7. @Joe C
    https://www.rosslynchapel.com/visit/things-to-do/identify-the-plant-carvings/
    "Along the arch above one of the windows in the south aisle is a beautiful carving of what appears to be maize or Indian corn."

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    1. Joe,

      The maize/corn carvings are above the second southeast window on the first floor. There is also aloe leaves carved into one of the horizontal beams on the south side of the chapel. Aloe in the 15th Century was indigenous only in North and South America. How was it known about in Europe at this time? See photo I added of the carvings.

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    2. What species of aloe are we taughking about? Aloe at that time was indigenous to southern Africa, islands east of Africa, and Arabia.

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    3. Unknown,

      I suspect the species carved at Rosslyn is indigenous to the America’s, but I don’t know. Even if aloe was indigenous to those continents, it wasn’t known in Europe let alone the British isles at that time. The point is still very valid.

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  8. After watching your Exodus of the Templars. When your cameraman was panning around the room in the lower level, i noticed the triple cross on its side on the wall.there was a niche under it that was long.it was on its side. Just as the stones showed a small line on the ends of the lateral lines of the cross. In RosslynChapel those lines on the ends of the lateral lines are ovals. I would think that carving ovals on each line on the stones would have been hard to do, plus take a while to do, so they used the nicks on the ends. Probably was done by same Templars on the journey. Contact me for screen shot of the triple
    cross i saw.

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    1. Christy,

      I've been in the crypt three different times over the years, but don't recall ever seeing a triple barred cross. Feel free to send a photo, I'm curious.

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  9. To Scott Walter,
    Hello my name is Pam and my husband watches your show and many others like it. I'm writing because I've noticed that you seam completely obsessed with the Templars in America. Personally I am not interested in History but I do remember a conversation during a family get together, the guys were watching the T>V> Show "oak Island" my nephew who was Naval intellanges for years brought up the fact that years ago he was part of a research team sent to find information about something in the vatican archives, in the process he came across documentation describing a small group of french vessels that left to follow the fugitive templar fleet, as they were two days behind; they completely missed the Atlantic Storm that destroyed the Templar Fleet except for a dozen survivors who reported how it all happened.
    There was no mention of Treasure or Artifacts but that the destination was the new world but they never made it. I'm afraid that is all remember and my nephew no longer here.
    Sincerely,
    Pam

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    1. Hi Pam,

      That's a very interesting story, but it doesn't quite jive with what we know about what happened to the Templar fleet after leaving La Rochelle in 1307. The fleet split up and some went south to Portugal and the rest went west and north to the west coast of Scotland. Could some of the ships have been lost in storms? We know that happened to some of the ships on later voyages to the New World.

      That being said, I can assure you that nearly all of the multiple trips the Templars made to North America, over the course of almost three centuries, were successful, and they made it back to Scotland, Portugal, etc.

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  10. Scott,

    It would go a long way with your audience to explain the importance of these stars and how they work.


    "Aries

    Arietus, IS USED BY NAVIGATORS TO COMPUTE LONGITUDE BY THE MOON'S DISTANCE.

    Taurus

    Alderbaran, WHICH IS MUCH USED BY NAVIGATORS.

    Leo

    Regulus is a very bright star, and is situated almost exactly in the ecliptic. It is, therefore, of GREAT USE TO NAVIGATORS IN DETERMINING THE LONGITUDE AT SEA.

    Virgo

    The bright star Spica, in Virgo, lies within the path of the Moon, and is of GREAT USE TO NAVIGATORS.

    Aquarius

    Fomalhaut, in Aquarius, which is almost of the first magnitude, and is USED BY NAVIGATORS."

    "Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy"
    Robert Hewitt Brown
    Pages 25-27


    ALL of the above contain secrets for navigation. Would make an awesome TV program.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      This is actually a very good idea. Ancient celestial navigation would be a great topic to explore, perhaps in connection with various ages over the millennia. If we get another season I can certainly pitch the idea.

      Nice.

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  11. [The Lion, The Eagle, The Ox, and The Man.

    Q. What is the astronomical illusion of these four ancient emblems, and why are they thus associated together?

    A. They refer to the four great angles of the heavens, where the equinoctial and solstitial points are situated, and the signs at these points are, according to ancient astrology, called "fixed signs." Each sign was, moreover, ruled by three gods, called Decans, the first of which in each sign was called "the powerful leader of three." The most important and powerful of these thirty-six celestial gods were the four Decans who ruled the four angles of the heavens, and the stability and perpetuity of the universe were supposed to be insured by them. They were also called Elohim, and the two who had their seat on the equator were believed to compel the sun to shine 12 hours over all the Earth, as well as to repel him, so that he moved on to the next sign of the zodiac in progressive order. The no less powerful Elohim, or Decans, who ruled the solstitial points, caused the sun to turn back at the tropics, and preserve the order of nature and of the seasons.
    In all ancient astrological projections of the heavens, the four great angles of the zodiac, where these celestial gods were seated, were marked by the figures of the Lion, the Eagle, the Ox, and the Man----the constellation Leo being anciently at the summer solstice; Aquarius, depicted as a man pouring water from a jar, at the winter solstice; and Taurus, the Ox, or Bull, at the vernal equinox; while the other angle, or autumnal equinox, was marked by a flying eagle. The quadrants of the celestial sphere were also anciently occupied by the four bright stars Alderbaran, Regulus, Antares, and Fomalhaut. These were called "royal stars," and in them the four great Elohim were believed to dwell. To them Divine honors were paid and sacred images erected, in which the lion, the eagle, the ox, and the man were variously combined. These emblems were worshipped by all ancient nations. The priests and the initiated knew them to be nothing more than astronomical allegories, emblematic representations of the zodiac, but the superstitious people adored them as real gods. The Jews are obtained these four emblems from Egypt. Moses, however, forbade their worship, and taught the Israelites to use them to denote the points of the compass in the divisions of their camp, by means of banners on which they were pictured (Numb. ii). These celebrated emblems are there for of a purely astronomical and zodiacal origin, and, when properly understood (as they were by the initiated), teach many of the most important facts of astronomical science.]

    "Stellar Theology & Masonic Astronomy"
    Robert Hewitt Brown
    Pages 92-93


    The "Flying Eagle" is now the Scorpion

    Quartering the heavens into four 90 degree angles can be illustrated with a simple +. Where each point of the plus sign("Cross of the Earth")+ represents the four "Royal Stars" Alderbaran, Regulus, Antares, and Fomalhaut. Now, Jupiter/Nibiru/Marduk/Zeus is also called "Planet of the Crossing". Crossing what? IF...The planet is crossing from one Royal Star to another Royal Star...Could be illustrated by adding a / to the + resulting in 4.


    Does it make any sense to you?

    Anthony Warren


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  12. Scott,

    You have a Goddess hiding in the Aloe.

    Anthony Warren

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    1. Anthony,

      The entire structure is an allegorical representation of the Goddess; She is everywhere in there if you know where to look...

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  13. Scott. We would really appreciate you talking with Roger Spurr.
    Roger has incredible fact-based scientifically proven information to share with the world that should be recognized by brave souls who will help reveal the truth of our past.
    Too many scientists and academics cower in fear over the real history of our world and mankind.
    It would be an enormous benefit to EVERYONE if professionals in the field of geology, archeology, and other pertinent sciences came out of the shadows and did the research needed to bring these facts to the forefront...
    Thank You, Scott.

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    1. ChevySteve,

      Roger has a right to pursue research of whatever he wants. I also have a right to choose what I want to be involved in. I have zero interest in being involved with someone who tries to pressure me to engage with threats.

      I have no interest in being involved in any way with Mr. Spur. He can move on to someone else, thanks.

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  14. Hi Scott,

    Had an idea about America’s Stone Henge in New Hampshire. The site was used for possible human sacrifice, where are the bodies buried? Perhaps under the stones? Is it possible to use ground penetrating radar to find graves in this area. Any human remains would positively identify who built the site. Also, the site is extensive, maybe workers died their also, where are the bodies? Tom

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    1. Bluethirty2,

      It's an interesting thought. However, if it indeed was the Phoenicians, we're talking over 3,000 years ago. The bedrock is at the surface so there is no soil to bury any bodies in even if the remains survived that long, which I highly doubt.

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  15. I think ik why louis was murder in 1809 at thirty five years old historical information says louis had enemy's generalWilkinson and Fredrick bates both his siblings die oct 10 1809 Wilkinson was a agent my name is brettany by the way

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